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https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/this-virus-unfortunately-is-perfect-er-doc-who-survived-ebola-shares-dire-warning/2343208/

 

 

"The reason that I've said in many ways this coronavirus pandemic is worse than working in West Africa during Ebola is because I never once worried about my personal protective equpment in West Africa, and this virus unfortunately is perfect in the sense that it spreads really really well, it hits all age groups and it's just … it's really scary the potential this virus has," Spencer said.

New York state now has roughly 50% of all U.S. coronavirus cases, and New York City in particular represents about 30% of all nationwide cases. Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Tuesday that infections are doubling every three days and that they could peak in three weeks -- at a level that far exceeds the state's capacity of hospital beds, ICU beds or ventilators.

"We know that we're really at the beginning of this. Case numbers are increasing on a daily basis and soon our hospitals are going to be overwhelmed," Spencer warned. "At the rate that we're putting people on ventilators - at some hospitals 1 to 2 per hour - the simple math shows it's only a matter of time until we run out."

 

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7 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

i'd rather have covid-19 than ebola zaire.......

 

  Agreed. This made no sense.

 

  I read someone's list of the 10 worst viruses and they had this Coronavirus at 10. It doesn't even make the top 100 if you ask me. It's still a threat obvioulsy, but it's nothing like what we already know is out there. Then there's the ones that we don't know of yet either.

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27 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Agreed. This made no sense.

 

  I read someone's list of the 10 worst viruses and they had this Coronavirus at 10. It doesn't even make the top 100 if you ask me. It's still a threat obvioulsy, but it's nothing like what we already know is out there. Then there's the ones that we don't know of yet either.

The doctor didn't compare the two diseases but the two outbreaks. 

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6 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  There's really no comparison. Anyone in the world who would rather be dealing with an Ebola outbreak is not playing with a full deck.

We already dealt with an Ebola outbreak. It didn't get that bad because it's just not transmitted as easily and people get sick with it relatively quickly. The novel coronavirus is more dangerous because of how easily it spreads. 

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2 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

We already dealt with an Ebola outbreak. It didn't get that bad because it's just not transmitted as easily and people get sick with it relatively quickly. The novel coronavirus is more dangerous.

 

    In the USA, we have not had an outbreak. We have had a few isolated cases. The last Ebola outbreak in the world killed 40% of those infected. It does get "that bad". I'm sure anyone living in an area where Ebola epidemics have occurred would rather deal with Coronavirus any day of the week.

 

   This guy made a poor analogy. We know Coronavirus is more easily transmitted then Ebola. That's all he needed to say. Just like the car accident analogy, the total numbers of people who die from something is not a good argument of relative danger. If it was, we would all stop eating happy meals. Less people would probably die in and Ebola outbreak, but nobody would take an Ebola outbreak over this.

 

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13 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    In the USA, we have not had an outbreak. We have had a few isolated cases. The last Ebola outbreak in the world killed 40% of those infected. It does get "that bad". I'm sure anyone living in an area where Ebola epidemics have occurred would rather deal with Coronavirus any day of the week.

 

   This guy made a poor analogy. We know Coronavirus is more easily transmitted then Ebola. That's all he needed to say. Just like the car accident analogy, the total numbers of people who die from something is not a good argument of relative danger. If it was, we would all stop eating happy meals. Less people would probably die in and Ebola outbreak, but nobody would take an Ebola outbreak over this.

 

The guy cared for Ebola patients and he survived Ebola. Do you seriously think he has no idea what he's talking about? 

 

And the world did have an Ebola outbreak. There was not an outbreak in the US because Ebola is harder to spread. If Ebola was as easily spread as the current coronavirus and had the same incubation period, it would have resulted in a pandemic as well. It didn't, not because the countries were better prepared or because it was handled better, we were just lucky that the disease wasn't efficient in spreading and it was easier to contain. So yes, they current coronavirus is much worse than Ebola. More people will die. 

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20 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

The guy cared for Ebola patients and he survived Ebola. Do you seriously think he has no idea what he's talking about? 

 

And the world did have an Ebola outbreak. There was not an outbreak in the US because Ebola is harder to spread. If Ebola was as easily spread as the current coronavirus and had the same incubation period, it would have resulted in a pandemic as well. It didn't, not because the countries were better prepared or because it was handled better, we were just lucky that the disease wasn't efficient in spreading and it was easier to contain. So yes, they current coronavirus is much worse than Ebola. More people will die. 

 

   He is an emergency room doctor, not a virologist. Health care workers are 25 times more likely to contract Ebola during an outbreak than the general population, so if you find one who would rather be treating Ebola patients, let me know.

 

   Now I'm sure he knows what he is talking about, but that doesn't mean he can't be be wrong or say stupid things or resort to hyperbole just like any one else. My original statement stands. Anyone who would rather be dealing with an Ebola outbreak than Coronavirus is not thinking straight. Doctors can certainly fall into that category.

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13 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

Are you a virologist? If not, I'll take his word over yours. Also, what he's saying makes sense. 

 

   Virology is a sub field of microbiology, which was my first degree. I worked in virology research for 4 years until I decided I would like to have a normal life with an income like every one else. From talking to MD's, I do not think they get a whole lot of specialized virology in their training unless they go into infectious diseases or pathology. That's is not a knock, they just don't have time to get into the details.

 

   However you can take anyone's word you wish. I'm just stating my own opinion. Ebola will always be a nightmare. A year from now, people will hardly care about Covid-19.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Virology is a sub field of microbiology, which was my first degree. I worked in virology research for 4 years until I decided I would like to have a normal life with an income like every one else. From talking to MD's, I do not think they get a whole lot of specialized virology in their training unless they go into infectious diseases or pathology. That's is not a knock, they just don't have time to get into the details.

 

   However you can take anyone's word you wish. I'm just stating my own opinion. Ebola will always be a nightmare. A year from now, people will hardly care about Covid-19.

 

 

Ok, so I take it you're qualified. I agree with you that Ebola is worse for the person who gets it but on a global level, I think Covid is worse. We'll see. 

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34 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

Ok, so I take it you're qualified. I agree with you that Ebola is worse for the person who gets it but on a global level, I think Covid is worse. We'll see. 

 

    I don't disagree with most of what he says. He is an expert, and he has seen what both infections can do. In absolute numbers, more people will die from Covid-19 than an Ebola outbreak. I just think he chose his words more for effect than for accuracy. Maybe that's what he intended.

 

   I really think what he is trying to get at is that Coronavirus is more difficult to deal with from the perspective of trying to contain it and stop it's spread. By the time we know who has it,  it has already spread, and many people don't even have symptoms. So we know what is coming, but we can't really do anything. I'm not trying to minimize Covid-19. It is bad, and it's bad mostly because so many people will get it in a short time, but it is what it is. There are strains of Ebola virus that kill ~90% of infected people. For people below the age of 50, Coronavirus will ultimately end up killing well below 1%. The scope of it will be "worse" for a few months of our lifetimes, but I still don't think we would want to be dealing with an actual outbreak of Ebola instead of this. 

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7 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

i'd rather have covid-19 than ebola zaire.......

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6 hours ago, Orangesapples said:

We already dealt with an Ebola outbreak. It didn't get that bad because it's just not transmitted as easily and people get sick with it relatively quickly. The novel coronavirus is more dangerous because of how easily it spreads. 

No.  covid-19 isn't all that dangerous.  Please turn off your TV or computer, and quit watching the news.  Seriously.  I'm not trying to make light of your fears, but I honestly feel they are induced by outside influences, not by what is actually happening around us.

 

No one wants to die.  But we all will, no matter what we do.  The idea that we MIGHT die before old age overtakes us is a great tool in manipulating people.  As we see right now.  Just over 21,000 people have died from covid-19.  And those numbers are over-stated, because ANYONE who dies with a positive covid-19 test is considered killed by the virus.  Even if they have severe underlying conditions.  This means people with certain-death cancer aren't counted as cancer deaths, but covid-19 deaths.  We have no way of knowing what the ACTUAL covid-19 deaths are, and likely never will.  But just like every other disease we as humans face, we WILL beat it.  We have amazingly smart people all over the world working on it feverishly, and they WILL find either a vaccine or a cure, maybe both.  Or it will mutate it's way out of existence.  Or we will develop herd immunity.

 

Ask yourself... when was the last time any illness removed every human from the planet?

 

 

 

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