Malaria Drug Chloroquine No Better Than Regular Coronavirus Care, Study Finds

[90DayFinancier 910]

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-25/hydroxychloroquine-no-better-than-regular-covid-19-care-in-study?in_source=amp_trending_now_3

[Steeleballz 7,550]

 

    My feeling is when they start to do controlled trials, they will find the effects of these drugs similar to a placebo in most people. There is no pharmacological reason that would really indicate  a reason that they should work. They would generally help if secondary infections were occurring.

 

  Three of the four treatments the WHO is testing are antivirals. I expect those will have better results. 

 

 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

1 hour ago, 90DayFinancier said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-25/hydroxychloroquine-no-better-than-regular-covid-19-care-in-study?in_source=amp_trending_now_3

and other cases have show promise. Its a maybe right now. However If I am dying they can try anything they want including the root doctors 

[JonSeattle 202]

The original French study also showed that hydroxychloroquine by itself was not that effective. It was the combination with azithromycin that was very strong. Those study sizes are all very small. What is really driving the hope for this is the anecdotal reports from China.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

3 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

and other cases have show promise. Its a maybe right now. However If I am dying they can try anything they want including the root doctors 

Exactly.  If you're choice is try or die, and you choose die, I respect that.  But me?  Imma try pretty much anything that a doc suggests.  (But not Windex nor aquarium algaecide, no matter who suggests it)

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

21 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Exactly.  If you're choice is try or die, and you choose die, I respect that.  But me?  Imma try pretty much anything that a doc suggests.  (But not Windex nor aquarium algaecide, no matter who suggests it)

You know the drill Trump said it "may" help we shall see.

The hate anything Trump immediately poo poos it

 

If Trump cured cancer a few on here would be touting the fact that he put many Medical professionals out of work 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

27 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Exactly.  If you're choice is try or die, and you choose die, I respect that.  But me?  Imma try pretty much anything that a doc suggests.  (But not Windex nor aquarium algaecide, no matter who suggests it)

 

    If you wanted a consensus, it would be that most doctors are not suggesting antibiotics or anti parasitics as standard treatment for the virus. The possibility would be that there could be underlying infections that do occur, perhaps yet unrecognized,  that would require treatment with these drugs. That is certainly common with flu, but not yet known with Covid-19.

 

  I certainly wouldn't be taking these as a preventative or for minor symptoms, which many people are starting to do.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

6 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    If you wanted a consensus, it would be that most doctors are not suggesting antibiotics or anti parasitics as standard treatment for the virus. The possibility would be that there could be underlying infections that do occur, perhaps yet unrecognized,  that would require treatment with these drugs. That is certainly common with flu, but not yet known with Covid-19.

 

  I certainly wouldn't be taking these as a preventative or for minor symptoms, which many people are starting to do.

Agree. I would not take for minor symptoms, but if your dying try anything 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

16 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Agree. I would not take for minor symptoms, but if your dying try anything 

 

   I would try something I know works. I am not convinced with these drugs yet. Right now I would rather have one of the antiviral drugs.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

6 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   I would try something I know works. I am not convinced with these drugs yet. Right now I would rather have one of the antiviral drugs.

I call BS.  You'd try ANYTHING, since NOTHING is known to work. 

 

As to your above, I have never one time said, nor would I ever support, taking anti bacterials or antivirals for covid-19 as a preventative, since nothing we know of works thus far.  I never take drugs unnecessarily, and do not advocate it.

 

But the case I posted, where the guy was dying, and the PROPER PRESCRIBED antimalarials saved his live?  I'd do it in a heartbeat.  As would you, I'm sure.

[90DayFinancier 910]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

[Steeleballz 7,550]

8 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

I call BS.  You'd try ANYTHING, since NOTHING is known to work. 

 

As to your above, I have never one time said, nor would I ever support, taking anti bacterials or antivirals for covid-19 as a preventative, since nothing we know of works thus far.  I never take drugs unnecessarily, and do not advocate it.

 

But the case I posted, where the guy was dying, and the PROPER PRESCRIBED antimalarials saved his live?  I'd do it in a heartbeat.  As would you, I'm sure.

 

   I wasn't even talking to you. You can take whatever you want or not. I don't know and I really don't care what you do. I'm not taking it and that's all I said. Whether you call BS or not means jack. I am not going to take something I know doesn't work. Even the anecdotal reports say it decreased viral load in a few patients without changing symptoms. 

 

  I'm not sure what it did or how much it helped the guy in your story, but he was on the phone talking to friends, so maybe he wasn't as far gone as he claims. I don't know either way, but more anecdotal evidence. 

 

  If something comes up in the clinical trials that shows any promise, that's what I would take. That's unlikely to be these 2 drugs.

[90DayFinancier 910]

8 hours ago, JonSeattle said:

The original French study also showed that hydroxychloroquine by itself was not that effective. It was the combination with azithromycin that was very strong. Those study sizes are all very small. What is really driving the hope for this is the anecdotal reports from China.

The French study also had a lot of drop outs go to IC.  

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

12 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   I wasn't even talking to you. You can take whatever you want or not. I don't know and I really don't care what you do. I'm not taking it and that's all I said. Whether you call BS or not means jack. I am not going to take something I know doesn't work. Even the anecdotal reports say it decreased viral load in a few patients without changing symptoms. 

 

  I'm not sure what it did or how much it helped the guy in your story, but he was on the phone talking to friends, so maybe he wasn't as far gone as he claims. I don't know either way, but more anecdotal evidence. 

 

  If something comes up in the clinical trials that shows any promise, that's what I would take. That's unlikely to be these 2 drugs.

He was saying goodbye to family, because his doctor(s) told him he wasn't going to live much longer.  Then they gave him the dual cocktail, his heart went into overdrive (pretty normal), and he had to be sedated.  After waking up from the second round of medication, he reported that he felt like he never had covid-19.    Even if he is the ONLY person in the world (which he isn't) who responded like he did, I think anyone, even YOU, would take that chance if they were about to die.  That's all I and NB2 are saying.  Desperate times call for desperate measures.  If I was starving to death, and my best friend died right next to me, I'd eat him to survive. 

[TBoneTX 45,764]

44 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

Tantumodo in regionalibus colloquiis aliter atque Anglice loquimini!