We Need Better Data Before Trusting Most Things Anyone Says About Wuhan Virus

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

20 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

I'm not an expert and it's not my job to do that. How come South Korea could do it and the wealthiest and most powerful nation in the world couldn't? There are no excuses. 

The clue to reality is in your name.  

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

From Johns Hopkins:

 

 

I think they qualify as experts.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

50 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

From Johns Hopkins:

 

 

I think they qualify as experts.

 

   Their own comments are interesting. We score very high in several areas, but also includes a low score for "access to healthcare". That is essentially what hurt our response in the early stages of this. We have the ability to respond better than any other nation, but we also put ourselves in a hole that we didn't need to be in.

 

   All we had to do was quarantine or test a few hundred people on the flights coming back from China and we may have not been caught with our pants down. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

5 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Their own comments are interesting. We score very high in several areas, but also includes a low score for "access to healthcare". That is essentially what hurt our response in the early stages of this. We have the ability to respond better than any other nation, but we also put ourselves in a hole that we didn't need to be in.

 

   All we had to do was quarantine or test a few hundred people on the flights coming back from China and we may have not been caught with our pants down.

Or be the first to shut down flights incoming from China.  

[90DayFinancier 910]

10 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Their own comments are interesting. We score very high in several areas, but also includes a low score for "access to healthcare". That is essentially what hurt our response in the early stages of this. We have the ability to respond better than any other nation, but we also put ourselves in a hole that we didn't need to be in.

 

   All we had to do was quarantine or test a few hundred people on the flights coming back from China and we may have not been caught with our pants down. 

Why would you do that, this is just like the flu?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Or be the first to shut down flights incoming from China.  

 

  Well yeah, but there were US citizens coming back, so we had to have some provision to test or quarantine.

 

  The other thing about that global health data study is that while we ranked the highest, every country in the world was described as having major gaps in preparedness, health care infrastructure, and ability to assess the system. I think we saw that also. 

[OriZ 3,157]

2 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

Or be the first to shut down flights incoming from China.  

Except...we weren't.

[OriZ 3,157]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/diamond-princess-traces-coronavirus-17-days-ship-emptied/story?id=69755804

 

seems like really bad news, right? but then ya gotta wonder, if that's the case, maybe a vast majority of us really have already been exposed to this virus, and very few actually got sick

[Dashinka 24,980]

6 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Well yeah, but there were US citizens coming back, so we had to have some provision to test or quarantine.

 

  The other thing about that global health data study is that while we ranked the highest, every country in the world was described as having major gaps in preparedness, health care infrastructure, and ability to assess the system. I think we saw that also. 

It is interesting, South Korea just started testing of people traveling to the country, and they are having issues.  We can all argue back and forth about preparedness, etc., Nd more than likely the US CDC will take a hit when this is studied going forward, they certainly acted like a stodgy bureaucratic agency at the beginning of this response.  The thing that amazes me is we have many wanting to increase that bureaucracy.

 

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2020/03/25/2020032503328.html

Edited March 25, 2020 by Dashinka

[Steeleballz 7,550]

6 hours ago, Dashinka said:

It is interesting, South Korea just started testing of people traveling to the country, and they are having issues.  We can all argue back and forth about preparedness, etc., Nd more than likely the US CDC will take a hit when this is studied going forward, they certainly acted like a stodgy bureaucratic agency at the beginning of this response.  The thing that amazes me is we have many wanting to increase that bureaucracy.

 

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2020/03/25/2020032503328.html

 

   I guess I have said before, we are not prepared enough, but I'm not sure being prepared could have done a lot with this type of pandemic. It's easily transmitted and with many fold more asymptomatic cases than symptomatic ones, and it looks like flu at first. Realistically how do you stop that?

 

  I actually agree that China was probably less than forthcoming with the initial outbreak, and that allowed it to spread to other areas before it was even recognized. I would not be surprised if at some point down the road they find it was circulating much earlier than we ever suspected.

 

 I think the best case scenario with this was that we could have delayed it's arrival, hopefully to ramp up production of ventilators and hospital beds and treatments, and possibly have testing kits ready to go. 

 

 

[Dashinka 24,980]

34 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   I guess I have said before, we are not prepared enough, but I'm not sure being prepared could have done a lot with this type of pandemic. It's easily transmitted and with many fold more asymptomatic cases than symptomatic ones, and it looks like flu at first. Realistically how do you stop that?

 

  I actually agree that China was probably less than forthcoming with the initial outbreak, and that allowed it to spread to other areas before it was even recognized. I would not be surprised if at some point down the road they find it was circulating much earlier than we ever suspected.

 

 I think the best case scenario with this was that we could have delayed it's arrival, hopefully to ramp up production of ventilators and hospital beds and treatments, and possibly have testing kits ready to go. 

 

 

I completely agree with that.  As I have said many times already, I came back from China December 18th and two days later developed a dry cough with a slight fever.  For me it lasted a couple of days except the cough persisted for a little more than two weeks.  Was it Wuhan flu?  Who knows, and I suppose chances are it was not (isn’t testing around 10% for those with similar symptoms).  My boss came back the same day, different flight, and she said she was the sickest she has ever been two days later.  For us, we were starting our Christmas break, so our exposure to others was minimal.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  I guess I have said before, we are not prepared enough, but I'm not sure being prepared could have done a lot with this type of pandemic. It's easily transmitted and with many fold more asymptomatic cases than symptomatic ones, and it looks like flu at first. Realistically how do you stop that?

 

  I actually agree that China was probably less than forthcoming with the initial outbreak, and that allowed it to spread to other areas before it was even recognized. I would not be surprised if at some point down the road they find it was circulating much earlier than we ever suspected.

 

 I think the best case scenario with this was that we could have delayed it's arrival, hopefully to ramp up production of ventilators and hospital beds and treatments, and possibly have testing kits ready to go. 

 

 

I agree 110%.

 

And I think we DID delay it by shutting down flights from China when we did.  Granted, it could have come from any other country, but I think closing China was a step in the right direction, early on.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

4 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

I agree 110%.

 

And I think we DID delay it by shutting down flights from China when we did.  Granted, it could have come from any other country, but I think closing China was a step in the right direction, early on.

 

  I think what they need to consider in future is having the endemic country shut down flights in and out, and as an incentive, we send medical aid or equipment or whatever is needed to help them fight it. That would only work if countries are willing and able to acknowledge the scope of the problem early enough though. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

3 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  I think what they need to consider in future is having the endemic country shut down flights in and out, and as an incentive, we send medical aid or equipment or whatever is needed to help them fight it. That would only work if countries are willing and able to acknowledge the scope of the problem early enough though. 

Yep.  And not just willing to acknowledge the scope of it, but simply acknowledge it at all.  Should work with most countries that enjoy more freedoms than China currently does.

[OriZ 3,157]

Italy moving closer and closer towards containment