Mother-in-Law on Tourist Visa - Needs to Leave Country before 6 months but maybe can't

[Jon York 156]

1 hour ago, Pinkrlion said:

She is able to stay until June, change her plane ticket until May and then have her leave.

No, we're going to keep it as is for April 28th and let her go back then if it's possible. If it's not then we'll look at moving it to a later date.

[Boiler 45,282]

2 minutes ago, Jon York said:

And SusieQQQ - I would appreciate it if you would refrain from responding to my conversation here. I've found your replies to miss the point and be completely unhelpful. So please... just stay out of this conversation.  Thank you.

A quick perusal of the VJ ToS sounds in order.

[Jon York 156]

Oh so I don't have the right to ask someone who has been rude to me to stop responding to my thread?

[Boiler 45,282]

Just now, Jon York said:

Oh so I don't have the right to ask someone who has been rude to me to stop responding to my thread?

A quick read will answer that question.

[Jon York 156]

I read it 7 years ago when I signed up on this site. I don't remember it saying anything like that.

[geowrian 22,337]

35 minutes ago, Jon York said:

would they consider that a valid reason for over staying?

The law does not provide for a valid reason. 1 day overstay = automatically canceled visa.

 

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I'm just asking - don't they have certain types of events that they give people leeway for?

Any leeway would be by the CO in determining whether to issue a new visa or not. For example, one day overstay given the circumstances is probably favorable, but it's the CO's call.

 

30 minutes ago, Jon York said:

Oh so I don't have the right to ask someone who has been rude to me to stop responding to my thread?

Nope. (Edit: Well idk what you want to consider rights here, but it would not be in compliance with the TOS and that's what we go by here)

"Restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the Forums. "

Edited April 1, 2020 by geowrian

[Steeleballz 7,550]

35 minutes ago, Jon York said:

When Pakistan closed their airspace a week or so ago - there was literally no warning at all. There was no announcement that "we're closing our airspace in 3 days, so get home now." There was only, "our airspace is now closed."

 

I think there's a pretty good chance it will open again sometime between April 28th and June 18th. So I don't think we're going to have to worry about it. But my question was theoretical. IF it remained closed from when they suddenly announced it recently - until say, July 18th and she went home on July 19th... would they consider that a valid reason for over staying? A natural disaster that caused unforeseen consequences beyond her control. And yes, I'm sorry - but this was quite unforeseen. We had no idea that the country she was flying back to would completely close down their airspace to ALL incoming foreign flights.  And if they were to keep it closed from March until July - that would be quite unprecedented and therefore also unforeseen and unknowable. 

 

I'm just asking - don't they have certain types of events that they give people leeway for?

 

And SusieQQQ - I would appreciate it if you would refrain from responding to my conversation here. I've found your replies to miss the point and be completely unhelpful. So please... just stay out of this conversation.  Thank you.

 

   There is no valid reason for overstaying. If she is not able to leave by June 18th, she must request an extension of status before that date. She can give the reasons at that time. USCIS' response will determine whether or not they consider it a valid reason. 

[JFH 12,189]

54 minutes ago, Jon York said:

When Pakistan closed their airspace a week or so ago 

A week or so ago it was already a pandemic and it was quite clear that things were only going to get worse. We have known about this since the beginning of March. 
 

I see the airspace is due to re-open on April 4 and Turkish Airlines have seats available on April 19 for around $500 to Islamabad. So there is a good chance so won’t overstay, thankfully. 

[Dxc 12]

Guess you are expecting to hear " yeah jusy overstay and when the gov asks tell them i said it was cool and to give a pass"

 

Dont overstay if you dont want problems. There were a lot of chances to leave already but didnt now you might have to deal with the consequences. Good luck!

[designguy 1,179]

6 minutes ago, JFH said:

A week or so ago it was already a pandemic

Exactly. OP is acting like the virus popped up out of nowhere a week ago

 

She should have long gone home. The second there is a flight available she should be on it home. There's rightfully is no accommodation for overstaying. If she decides to overstay her visa will be cancelled and will have to try her luck with a new one.

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

“Not what I want to hear” is not the same thing as “unhelpful”. Sadly it’s often the case that when it comes to things like immigration overstays, the right advice is often what you don’t want to hear. Pointing out that this conversation has already been held, and that USCIS may not see things your way, is not “rude”. More generally, if you post in forums you don’t get to control who answers. We get a lot of shooting the messenger here.  If you feel anything I’ve said contradicts the terms of service, feel free to report it to a moderator. 

Geowrian is correct, as soon as there is overstay her visa will be cancelled. People have had their visas cancelled for being on a flight that left late and left past midnight of the day their stay expired.  You can hope things improve, or you can file for an extension of stay, which will help if it’s granted and make it worse (potentially longer overstay) if it’s not. JFH has found some useful information for you about flights back. 

 

 

 

Edited April 1, 2020 by SusieQQQ

[TBoneTX 45,001]

A continuation thread has been merged with an earlier thread on the same topic.

[Lemonslice 4,790]

Your mother-in-law does not have tot fly back to Pakistan, she can get out of the US and fly/go to any other country.  Fly to India and wait until Pakistan open their airspace, or take a bus/train. I strongly suggest that you do not count on them being lenient, and instead do all that is feasible for her to keep her visa.  Best of luck. 

[Duke & Marie 1,389]

Pakistan airspace is not closed, only flights are cancelled.. in saying this, they’ve said no Pakistan nationals have been abandoned they’ve either been brought back or accommodated..

 

flights will recommence from 5th April..so no need for any kind of over stay if her return flight is already booked for late April 

 

https://nation.com.pk/31-Mar-2020/international-flights-to-resume-gradually-from-april-5

Edited April 1, 2020 by Duke & Marie

[US-UK 32]

3 hours ago, Duke & Marie said:

in saying this, they’ve said no Pakistan nationals have been abandoned they’ve either been brought back or accommodated

This is why many countries have systems for their citizens abroad to provide their contact information and dates/locations (eg, UK Foreign Office registration, US STEP program). This is how they figure out who is where, push out info (eg, about current local conditions, recommendations, info on repatriation), and contact you to see if you need support (and/or give phone or emails to reach them).
 

Or, you call the main embassy number for help in a crisis and hope someone answers.
 

Absent some action on the part of the traveler, the home country won’t know where you are and won’t consider you ‘abandoned.’