Illinois Gov. Tells Trump Admin to ‘Get Its S@#t Together’ After Airport Chaos

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Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker urged the Trump administration to “get its s@#t together” late Saturday after travelers passing through Chicago’s O’Hare airport suffered massive overcrowding a day after the new European travel ban took effect. “President Donald J. Trump Vice President Mike Pence since this is the only communication medium you pay attention to – you need to do something NOW,” Pritzker wrote on Twitter, calling the overcrowding and reported hours-long wait times “unacceptable.” Photos purportedly taken inside the airport by a traveler showed lines so long they extended up over escalators, and people packed so tightly together that many questioned what effect this would have on the spread of the coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ohare-chaos-illinois-gov-jb-pritzker-calls-on-trump-admin-to-get-its-st-together-after-overcrowding?ref=home

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

The same.thing is happening all.over the world.  Took a friend over 5 hours to clear customs in Dublin last night.  Just another part of the panic effect.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

8 minutes ago, Poseidon1212 said:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ohare-chaos-illinois-gov-jb-pritzker-calls-on-trump-admin-to-get-its-st-together-after-overcrowding?ref=home

what is said is politicizing this horrific event, as if the above BS was in any way trumps fault

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Just now, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

what is said is politicizing this horrific event, as if the above BS was in any way trumps fault

In my opinion it is sadder that we have people that are so infatuated by a single person that they're willing to look away every single time. 

 

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

16 minutes ago, Poseidon1212 said:

In my opinion it is sadder that we have people that are so infatuated by a single person that they're willing to look away every single time. 

 

 

If you'd be so kind as to tell us how it's Trump's fault, that would be great, eh?

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1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

If you'd be so kind as to tell us how it's Trump's fault, that would be great, eh?

I’m sorry? I was under the impression that Trump was the President of the United States. You know the head of the federal government? 
The same person who closed the border and imposed screening of passengers without implementing enough personnel and procedures to have this go as smoothly as possible and preventing it becoming any epidemiologist’s nightmare.

 

If he’s not that person, then by all means, my bad. I thought he was our leader. 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

Is the President an authoritarian or is he someone that should have the amazing powers to dictate flights? Make up your mind lefties. Hard to keep up with today's orange man bad narrative. 

[Lil bear 4,295]

28 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Is the President an authoritarian or is he someone that should have the amazing powers to dictate flights? Make up your mind lefties. Hard to keep up with today's orange man bad narrative. 

My take is that there are top level decisions being made without the full gambit of  implementation plans being ready to be rolled out eg .. close air borders but not have arrival plans robust enough to meet the needs...    the buck stops at the top, no matter who is “in charge” 

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6 minutes ago, Lil bear said:

My take is that there are top level decisions being made without the full gambit of  implementation plans being ready to be rolled out eg .. close air borders but not have arrival plans robust enough to meet the needs...    the buck stops at the top, no matter who is “in charge” 

Gamut*

 

Also, I think this illustrates the irrationality of expectations. The federal government was initially set up to potentially micromanage the entire country in a top-down fashion, but since the expansion to 50 states, the inability to is more than apparent. Hence, in the 21st century alone, the chaos under Bush, Obama, and now Trump. Clearly the President isn't the problem. At best, the federal government's function is simply setting some of the rules in their purview, delegating money, and so on, with a bottom-up approach being the most logical. In this sense, decisions are more likely to be informed on a local level, and important centralized figures can make decisions on an aggregate level using stratified data. But if they try and push the top-down approach, this is what happens. Can't fight a plethora of five alarm fires with a single hydrant.

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53 minutes ago, Lil bear said:

My take is that there are top level decisions being made without the full gambit of  implementation plans being ready to be rolled out eg .. close air borders but not have arrival plans robust enough to meet the needs...    the buck stops at the top, no matter who is “in charge” 

If only our government had known back in December to hire 500,000 more CBP agents to facilitate the extra screening we need today, eh?

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2 hours ago, Poseidon1212 said:

I’m sorry? I was under the impression that Trump was the President of the United States. You know the head of the federal government? 
The same person who closed the border and imposed screening of passengers without implementing enough personnel and procedures to have this go as smoothly as possible and preventing it becoming any epidemiologist’s nightmare.

 

If he’s not that person, then by all means, my bad. I thought he was our leader. 

How long do you suppose it would take to screen, hire, train, and employ an extra 200-500,000 CBP agents?  How many months ago should he have instituted this hiring?

Meanwhile, every single country in the world is experiencing the same issues.  And it's only to get worse as the people who ARE currently working get sick and need to stay home.

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1 hour ago, Lil bear said:

My take is that there are top level decisions being made without the full gambit of  implementation plans being ready to be rolled out eg .. close air borders but not have arrival plans robust enough to meet the needs...    the buck stops at the top, no matter who is “in charge” 

That is kind of what happens when you dont have weeks to plan and have hours to react in an emergency 

15 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

How long do you suppose it would take to screen, hire, train, and employ an extra 200-500,000 CBP agents?  How many months ago should he have instituted this hiring?

Meanwhile, every single country in the world is experiencing the same issues.  And it's only to get worse as the people who ARE currently working get sick and need to stay home.

Exactly. 

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9 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

How long do you suppose it would take to screen, hire, train, and employ an extra 200-500,000 CBP agents?  How many months ago should he have instituted this hiring?

Meanwhile, every single country in the world is experiencing the same issues.  And it's only to get worse as the people who ARE currently working get sick and need to stay home.

The difference is really how the other countries are set up. Canada, in this sense, employs that bottom-up approach, with the federal government only being a basic regulatory/supplementary body. 

 

That's why, despite knowing that countries can't entirely prevent the virus from spreading (even in Canada there are dumb people who don't take it seriously and ignore not just basic hygienic standards but ignore self isolation demands), after this occurrence comes and goes, Canada's healthcare system will remain as is.

 

The US, on the other hand, is going to be chalk full of people demanding the federal government "do more". This sort of logic is precisely why we have bureaus full of faceless, unaccountable power hungry lunatics who wind up thinking (and behaving like) they run the country.

 

It's times like this where the founding fathers' desire for a limited central government becomes all the more evident, and that's the evidence-based proof beyond the common understanding that the larger a populace gets, the less a central government can adequately represent a populace.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

4 hours ago, Poseidon1212 said:

In my opinion it is sadder that we have people that are so infatuated by a single person that they're willing to look away every single time. 

 

 

Or the fact that almost every post you have made concerning this tragedy. has been an attempt to twist this crisis to being his fault.

You dont care about the human suffering as long as it makes Trump look bad.

[Lil bear 4,295]

49 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

How long do you suppose it would take to screen, hire, train, and employ an extra 200-500,000 CBP agents?  How many months ago should he have instituted this hiring?

Meanwhile, every single country in the world is experiencing the same issues.  And it's only to get worse as the people who ARE currently working get sick and need to stay home.

Obviously an impractical solution. What would have worked?  
1. liaison with FAA to stagger flight arrivals with adequate intervals between. FAA manages arrival slots all the time. 
2. Coordinate with ORD  to  arrange  disembarkation and management of incoming passengers into multiple areas rather than one single area. Holding passengers in smaller groups in waiting areas to allow for some separation and reduced contact. 
3. moving passengers into the active immigration area as others leave 

 

These are typical airport emergency management protocols and procedures that are used in good Emergency Management plans

Identify the risks

identify the possible consequences including worst case scenarios 

Mitigate the consequences by active interventions

Plan, Prepare, Practice 
 

But , this type of response requires collaboration and trust  across all agencies and tiers of government .. not something in which the US seems to do well. 

Edited March 15, 2020 by Lil bear