So you're supposed to die alone? (COVID-19)

[cacolac323 11]

28 minutes ago, Suze1 said:

@cacolac323

What do you recommend, precisely?

Um, i'm not recommending anything. This post was asking a question (which somehow doesn't seem to really register)

 

"what is the last-minute recourse to allow these family members to travel to the U.S. to be with you in the U.S. if you are sick?" 

 

 

[Highmystic 234]

7 hours ago, Lucky Cat said:

I know of no recourse......unfortunate....but that is the reality during a pandemic.

For a bit of Irony,  Mexico is looking to close their boarder to prevent sick US citizens crossing over in to Mexico.  It's on the table, just has not been enacted as yet.

 

[Lemonslice 4,915]

8 minutes ago, cacolac323 said:

Um, i'm not recommending anything. This post was asking a question (which somehow doesn't seem to really register)

 

"what is the last-minute recourse to allow these family members to travel to the U.S. to be with you in the U.S. if you are sick?" 

 

 

Realistically, if they are on the list of "banned" countries, none.

[millefleur 5,047]

40 minutes ago, cacolac323 said:

Um, i'm not recommending anything. This post was asking a question (which somehow doesn't seem to really register)

 

"what is the last-minute recourse to allow these family members to travel to the U.S. to be with you in the U.S. if you are sick?" 

Call your state senator and ask/complain. If this is a legislative request (assuming you want some kind of official permission to travel), that seems like it might be the best bet. Let your voice be heard and hope it gets up the food chain. 

[geowrian 22,337]

To answer the direct question asked, there is always the possibility of humanitarian parole if unable to get a visa, and a waiver being granted for the US side of things with the ban (whatever airline or local country restrictions exist is a separate issue).

The chance of getting this is extremely low. But there is technically a path.

 

From a practical stance, this is the reality of what happens every day. Sometimes loved ones pass while away from their family (for various reasons, not only immigration related ones).

 

Personally I would not want others to come to me if I was sick with a contagious disease either.

 

A somewhat similar circumstance happened in the Philippines a couple days ago. A husband and wife both had COVID-19 and were in the same hospital. The wife passed away. The husband was unable to see her before she was cremated due to his own treatment. The US-based family (3 children) was advised by the husband (their father) not to come due to the disease.

 

[Suze1 366]

56 minutes ago, cacolac323 said:

Um, i'm not recommending anything.

You have now heard what is in place at this point.

If you do not like it (and we can understand that) then, think about it, figure out what YOU think is the way to go, and then try to help make that a reality.

Because, guess what?  That is how we got many of the rights and privileges we have.

 

 

 

Edited March 15, 2020 by Suze1

[Quarknase 1,072]

Shows very clearly how we have grown to see globalization as a right, rather than a privilege. Travel and access to other regions has become so easily accessible to us that questions like these are being asked.

We live in the digital age. All types of video calling are available at our fingertips.

In some places in the world you can currently even live in the same city, and won't be able to visit your sick family member that lives on the opposite end of the city because they live under lock down.

Greater good always outweighs the individual's wish, wether we like it or not.

[N400NYC 380]

6 hours ago, Lil bear said:

Same here..  we live with the knowledge that each visit may be the last. With flights departing to Australia only during a narrow window of time each day .. it’s more likely I won’t be able to get there in time .. it is one of the sacrifices we face  .. and ask our extended family to also accept. Make each time together count 

And Australia today just announced a 14 day period of quarantine/isolation for ANYONE who arrives there! 

[N400NYC 380]

3 hours ago, cacolac323 said:

"what is the last-minute recourse to allow these family members to travel to the U.S. to be with you in the U.S. if you are sick?" 

Sadly, as others have noted, I'd say there is no recourse if the family members are currently in a country on the banned list.

 

My fiance is currently in South America, I'm here in the USA, my brother is in Asia and my parents/sister are in Australia. So I too have started thinking about these complicated scenarios if any one of us (or more) became seriously ill in the context of all these restrictions around travel. It's a mess. Hopefully the vaccine is developed within the next year because I can't see much improving until then!

[African Zealot 1,455]

11 hours ago, cacolac323 said:

,Should you become very sick in the U.S. and when your entire family lives in Europe (and is not American), what is the last-minute recourse to allow these family members to travel to the U.S. to be with you in the U.S. if you are sick? 

There’s something called humanitarian parole and also visitor visas given for humanitarian reasons. They are not handed out like candy, however a few people do get them.

 

An older gentleman I know was granted one to come and bury his son. He promptly absconded after burying his son and was undocumented for seven years until he got cancer and returned to his country to die when he found out it was terminal.

 

Ironic huh?

Edited March 15, 2020 by Ray.Bonaquist

[Dj & N 1]

Just for your information.More people died from seasonal flu that from corona.So dont panic please,everything is okay

[Boiler 45,727]

We live, and die, with the choices we make.

 

From an Actuarial perspective questions arsing out of this strike me as rather strange. Round numbers, 300m in the US, say 75 year life expectancy so 4 million die every year, 10,000 every day and how how many have died of this? You would be measuring in minutes.

[NikLR 13,228]

5 hours ago, N400NYC said:

And Australia today just announced a 14 day period of quarantine/isolation for ANYONE who arrives there! 

Fun fact, 10 people in aspen have COVID-19.  All are Australian. 9 of which are over age 60. 

[NikLR 13,228]

16 hours ago, cacolac323 said:

A provocative title, but hear me out.

 

With the ban for citizens of many countries to visit the U.S., and the possibility (still statistically rare, but real) of getting sick/dying in the U.S. ... this means an American resident whose non-US family (in my case, parents, sister) live in one of the forbidden countries, wouldn't be able to rush to my side if I were very sick?

 

Wow.

 

Now, I'm aware that this dilemma is in fact well known to, for example, undocumented immigrants who are in the U.S. and cannot travel to see dying close relative in their home country, when they are not sure they could go back to the U.S. ... 

 

But so the question is, Should you become very sick in the U.S. and when your entire family lives in Europe (and is not American), what is the last-minute recourse to allow these family members to travel to the U.S. to be with you in the U.S. if you are sick? BTW, I have no spouse or children, in the U.S. or elsewhere. I have parents and a sister -- but we are all adults, so they don't meet the definition of 'immediate family members' allowed to travel to the U.S. to be with their citizen/permanent resident relative, since the citizen or permanent resident has to be 21 in order for the immediate family member to be be allowed to travel.

None.  You chose to live here. Thankfully video chat does exist. Does it suck? Yes. Can it feel inhumane? Yes. But is it really? No.  

[Suze1 366]

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH COVID-19 (with regards to how we are reacting to the threat)

 

Here is what is so alarming/frightening about this Covid-19, I think:

 

It is different from the common cold or common flu not so much because of the fatality rate that we THINK might occur (what has occurred so far is not necessarily a predictor of what it might end up being in the end...as viruses can mutate, etc.).

 

It is more frightening because -

 

1) We are used to the idea that when you get a cold or flu, there are things we think that we can take for it, generally speaking. (Even though there is currently no CURE for the common cold, etc.)

 

2) We expect to get the cold or flu from someone who has a cold or flu and they APPEAR to have it and often exhibit symptoms we know about when they are contagious.

The fact that people can be contagious without having symptoms is what I think is pressing people's panic buttons in this case.

When a person sneezes or coughs...and we are near...we have certain expectations.

So, we are less equipped to handle the notion that someone who appears to be non-contagious is in fact capable of easily transmitting an infection to us, without them or us even knowing that we are at risk and that they are doing so.

The silent risk is the scary part.

While the death rate alone is important and troubling, of course, it is the "silent killer" element that is scaring the bejesus out of people, I think.

 

3) The ease and speed with which it seems to travel.

 

So, for such reasons, entire schools, companies, shops, towns, and even countries are shutting down.

 

Just a thought....we have others...

 

Hang in there everybody.

Make smart choices.

We are all in this together.

Peace.

Edited March 15, 2020 by Suze1