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Donald Trump

stated on March 4, 2020 in an interview:

The Obama administration "didn't do anything about” swine flu.

 

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By Tom KertscherMarch 6, 2020

Donald Trump wrong saying Barack Obama did nothing about swine flu

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• There were more than 60 million cases of swine flu in the United States during 2009 and 2010.

• The Obama administration responded with two emergency declarations, triggering billions in spending and other public health responses.

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Asked about reassuring Americans about the coronavirus, President Donald Trump downplayed the number of people stricken, then went on the attack.

Without mentioning President Barack Obama, Trump criticized the Obama’s administration response to another outbreak — H1N1, commonly known as swine flu.

Trump made the attack during an interview on March 4, 2020, with Fox News talk show host Sean Hannity:

Hannity: "You have said that you are evaluating (the coronavirus) on a daily basis. ... What are we prepared as a country to do to keep our citizens safe?"

Trump: "Well, I just say that it's, you know, a very, very small number in this country. And we're going to try and keep it that way as much as possible. I will say, though, the H1N1 — that was swine flu, commonly referred to as swine flu — and that went from around April of '09 to April of '10, where there were 60 million cases of swine flu. And over — actually, it's over 13,000. I think you might have said 17—. I had heard it was 13—, but a lot of — a lot of deaths. And they didn't do anything about it."

We wanted to fact-check Trump’s claim that the Obama administration "didn't do anything" as millions of swine flu cases mounted.

The Trump campaign didn’t respond to our requests for information.

Swine flu outbreak

The H1N1 influenza virus was discovered in the United States in the spring of 2009 and spread around the world. 

It was originally referred to as "swine flu" because many genes in the virus were similar to influenza viruses that normally occur in pigs in North America.

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From April 12, 2009, to April 10, 2010, in the United States, there were 60.8 million cases of swine flu, as well as 274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated.

Obama’s acting director of health and human services declared H1N1 a public health emergency on April 26, 2009. That was when the United States had only 20 confirmed cases of H1N1 and no deaths.

Two days later, the administration made an initial funding request for H1N1 to Congress. Eventually $7.65 billion was allocated for a vaccine and other measures.

On Oct. 24, 2009, six months after his administration declared H1N1 a public health emergency, Obama declared it a national emergency. 

By then, H1N1 had claimed more than 1,000 American lives, according to the CDC.

This is actually true, President Obama declared H1N1 a national emergency when the death toll hit 1000.  By comparison, President Trump is supposed to issue one today with 41 deaths.  Of course in the case of H1N1, since it actually began in North America (Mexico if memory serves), so suspending travel was not really an option.

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1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

It's not been "handled" anywhere.

China would like to talk to you: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/03/12/china-and-south-korea-models-seem-like-only-way-to-contain-covid-19/#64ccfb1647d3

 

1 hour ago, 2018JNJ said:

ahh..Politifact.  seriously?  Politifact?  What's next, WikiPedia??

This might come as a surprise to you but both those sites are aggregates, scroll down for the sources. 

Afterwards if you still want to dismiss it then surely you'll be able to produce reliable sources that say otherwise?

 

1 hour ago, 2018JNJ said:

From your "facts"...how long was it before the previous administration declared it a national emergency?

And how many people died as a result of inaction on that "man's?" part?

I'm sad to say that we're not gonna move the goalpost. Your questions were asked and answered. 

I suggest doing some research of your own if you'd like more answers. 

50 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

1000

The didn't specify what kind of emergency, so I assumed public health emergency in which case the answer was 0

 

41 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

By comparison, President Trump is supposed to issue one today with 41 deaths.

On top of the previous, even when disregarding that comparisons serve no legitimate purpose, influenza tests were readily available in 2018 as opposed to COVID tests now, so the 41 deaths warrant the words 'that we know of'. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

H1N1 started in October 2008.  Obama's admin declared an emergency in April 2009, and there were already over 1,000 deaths.  I guess it all depends on which source one chooses to read.

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12 minutes ago, Poseidon1212 said:

China would like to talk to you: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/03/12/china-and-south-korea-models-seem-like-only-way-to-contain-covid-19/#64ccfb1647d3

 

This might come as a surprise to you but both those sites are aggregates, scroll down for the sources. 

Afterwards if you still want to dismiss it then surely you'll be able to produce reliable sources that say otherwise?

 

I'm sad to say that we're not gonna move the goalpost. Your questions were asked and answered. 

I suggest doing some research of your own if you'd like more answers. 

The didn't specify what kind of emergency, so I assumed public health emergency in which case the answer was 0

 

On top of the previous, even when disregarding that comparisons serve no legitimate purpose, influenza tests were readily available in 2018 as opposed to COVID tests now, so the 41 deaths warrant the words 'that we know of'. 

China, the very country the Wuhan virus originated and spread across the globe from. 

 

Also, on your sourcing, about "aggregates".. wrong. They are websites with handpicked sources. Wikipedia editors select the sources they want to use, "Politifact" selects the sources they want to use. Both sites have obvious slants. I would say Politifact's slants are quite a bit worse, even funnier that a site that claims to be a fact checker is actually wrong so often. Good try though. The obvious intent behind the site is to serve as a copy-paste confirmation bias mechanism for people on the left, not to actually facilitate the spread of factual knowledge.

Edited March 13, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

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12 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

China, the very country the Wuhan virus originated and spread across the globe from. 

I know, it is hilarious that the country that has been the source of the virus is doing better than the US. 

 

13 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Also, on your sourcing, about "aggregates".. wrong. They are websites with handpicked sources. Wikipedia editors select the sources they want to use, "Politifact" selects the sources they want to use. Both sites have obvious slants. I would say Politifact's slants are quite a bit worse, even funnier that a site that claims to be a fact checker is actually wrong so often. Good try though. The obvious intent behind the site is to serve as a copy-paste confirmation bias mechanism for people on the left, not to actually facilitate the spread of factual knowledge.

Those are an awful lot of words to say 'I don't have a reliable source that refutes what the politifacts sources say'. 

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14 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

H1N1 started in October 2008.  Obama's admin declared an emergency in April 2009, and there were already over 1,000 deaths.  I guess it all depends on which source one chooses to read.

When did the Obama administration declare a medical emergency?

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16 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

H1N1 started in October 2008.  Obama's admin declared an emergency in April 2009, and there were already over 1,000 deaths.  I guess it all depends on which source one chooses to read.

I can't find any source mentioning something remotely about H1N1 starting in October '08. Obama did indeed declare a public health emergency in April '09. Here's the NYT article: https://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/world/27flu.html

Excerpt from said article:

 

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As of Sunday night, there were no swine flu deaths in the United States, and one hospitalization.

And here's the video of the address: 

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

I guess it all depends on which source one chooses to read.

I guess it does and I'd love to read yours.

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2 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Hint: It's not been "handled" anywhere. It's all damage control, everywhere.

 

But on the bright side, you diagnosed Trump with the Wuhan virus. Orange man bad.

It's been confirmed that he's been exposed to the virus.

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17 minutes ago, Poseidon1212 said:

I know, it is hilarious that the country that has been the source of the virus is doing better than the US. 

 

Those are an awful lot of words to say 'I don't have a reliable source that refutes what the politifacts sources say'. 

5000 deaths (at minimum), doing better. 

 

Sounds like a Politifact revision.

 

2 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

It's been confirmed that he's been exposed to the virus.

 

Which just means he's been around people who had it. 

Edited March 13, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

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4 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

5000 deaths (at minimum), doing better. 

At least they know how many died of COVID-19. We're left to guess with unrealistic numbers because the re-election is more important than taking care of people. 

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1 minute ago, Poseidon1212 said:

At least they know how many died of COVID-19. We're left to guess with unrealistic numbers because the re-election is more important than taking care of people. 

Chinese government trustworthy on the figures they give, American President not. 

 

No need to tell a joke, looks like that joke told itself.

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Just now, Burnt Reynolds said:

Chinese government trustworthy on the figures they give, American President not. 

 

No need to tell a joke, looks like that joke told itself.

Solid argument, better than usual. 

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3 hours ago, Poseidon1212 said:

China would like to talk to you: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/03/12/china-and-south-korea-models-seem-like-only-way-to-contain-covid-19/#64ccfb1647d3

 

This might come as a surprise to you but both those sites are aggregates, scroll down for the sources. 

Afterwards if you still want to dismiss it then surely you'll be able to produce reliable sources that say otherwise?

 

I'm sad to say that we're not gonna move the goalpost. Your questions were asked and answered. 

I suggest doing some research of your own if you'd like more answers. 

The didn't specify what kind of emergency, so I assumed public health emergency in which case the answer was 0

 

On top of the previous, even when disregarding that comparisons serve no legitimate purpose, influenza tests were readily available in 2018 as opposed to COVID tests now, so the 41 deaths warrant the words 'that we know of'. 

I am referring to President Obama issuing a national emergency like what happened today.  I believe the public health emergency for the coronavirus was issued in January.

Edited March 13, 2020 by Dashinka

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

On 3/13/2020 at 3:02 PM, Poseidon1212 said:

I know, it is hilarious that the country that has been the source of the virus is doing better than the US. 

Can you explain the source of your hilarity for us laypersons?\\

 

China - 80,881 cases, 3,226 deaths

US - 4,667 cases, 87 deaths

 

I am trying to work with you and see where the humor is, but for the life of me, am having trouble finding it.

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On 3/13/2020 at 3:12 PM, Dashinka said:

I am referring to President Obama issuing a national emergency like what happened today.  I believe the public health emergency for the coronavirus was issued in January.

There are several public health warnings in place, including a long standing one for the  opioid epidemic. You would agree that no health crisis in the last 20 years maybe 100 years, come close to this crisis.