Expect More Erratic Post Hoc Behavior From Trump

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

15 minutes ago, Ray.Bonaquist said:

This is the first somewhat sensible question which is why I am bothering to respond.

There are questions from known Trump jockstrap sniffers I won’t even dignify with a response.

 

I hope you are actually open to reason, and we can reach some consensus. I won’t keep my fingers crossed though.

 

What could Trump do? A sensible competent president would have ensured that during the six or so weeks we had before this virus arrived here, testing capability was seriously ramped up. Is that too much to ask from the wealthiest most advanced superpower in the world?

 

I hope you have a sensible retort to that. 😂🤣😂

 

2. I fully support travel bans FYI. My question is why wait until the cat was out of the bag before banning travel? And why exempt the UK where the virus is currently raging? 😝

 

3. Why keep lying (e.g everyone who wants a test will get one) and exaggerating and minimizing the seriousness and severity of the devilish disease? 

 

I am sincerely hoping I get some sensible replies I can agree with from you because I concede I do not know it all.

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-how-many-coronavirus-tests-per-capita-have-been-completed

Since you don't know me, allow me to state that I did not vote for Trump.  Didn't really want him in charge.  But since he has been in charge, I think he has done more good for America than I have seen in MANY years of past leadership.  So while I don't "sniff his jockstrap", I do think he's a pretty effective president.  

 

1) Trump has no control over the CDC.  He can tweet, and call their director and recommend, but that is about all.  The CDC DID fail in the beginning by creating test kits that were inaccurate.  And I am sure when all this blows over, as it will, someone (or several someones) will be fired for that mistake.  Trump asked for extra funding for the CDC, and it was approved.  And what else happened?  Pelosi tried to sneak in funding for abortion.  ####### was THAT???  I hope that bothers YOU as much as it bothers ME.  That was underhanded, and at a time when such stupidity has ZERO place.

 

2) The UK is raging?  My sources show three confirmed cases, with one recovery already.  Not sure which one of us has the right info??   But yes, travel bans are sort of good, but they are NOT a first-move response.  Looking back, it probably made more sense to do it sooner, but doing it TOO soon would have had long-lasting economic effects that were not (at that time) warranted.  The effects of the current ban on travel will be hurting the US for years to come, mark my words.

 

3) We don't know yet what is false and what is true.  Personally, I think the MSM induced panic is causing people far more fear than is necessary.  We won't know what is right until later this year, unfortunately.  But looking back at SARS, MERS, H1N1, etc., here we are today, having a discussion about a new disease.  We can revisit this particular point in a few months and see what was warranted, eh?

 

While I am doing my best to keep from getting this virus, I realize that there is a 95% (perhaps greater?) chance that I WILL indeed contract it.  And if I do, I will do what I do every time I have gotten bad sick over my lifetime... stay home, in bed, drink plenty of fluids and soup broth, and avoid going out and infecting others. (Unlike the idiot who got on a plane in JFK and flew to PBI two days ago, KNOWING he had tested positive for CV19.  I hope that particular fool gets sued by other passengers on the plane, but that's just me being vindictive)

 

Take a deep breath.  Stay home as much as possible.  Feel free to PM me if you wish to talk, or I will give you my cell # and we can chat.  (Sometimes having someone to actually talk to helps). Just don't panic, do your best to avoid other potential carriers.  But in the end, realize that there is a HIGH likelihood that you will contract it.  If you are in the high-risk age category, it certainly makes the scenario potentially more scary, and yes, I am on the brink of it myself.  My younger, healthier spouse will be fine, I am sure, but I stand to struggle much harder with it, and perhaps won't make it.  But that's not up to me, all I can do is be as healthy as possible until it happens.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

5 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Regardless of how they have done in other areas, the administration was obviously not prepared to respond adequately to this situation. I am not saying that to be critical, and I don't care to speculate on the political outcomes because I don't really care. They just need to get it together right now. 

Agree 200%.  As I pointed out in another post, S. Korea and China had a MUCH more organized test kit response than us due to them having already gone thru similar scenarios previously.  And it really hurt us that the CDC first made test kits that were faulty.  I think the CDC may have been a tad lax in their response due to the lack of proximity.... S. Korea obviously had a lot of pressure to get it done quickly based on location.

 

There shouldn't be ANY politicalization of this issue, anywhere, at least not until it is over.  If Trump screwed something up in hindsight, we can crucify him later.  But for now, I just don't see it.  If he were the head of the CDC, I would feel differently.

 

And let's be real... what administration was prepared for this?  How could they be?  

[yuna628 9,744]

VoR: virus cases in the UK are sitting in the high 700s, and the general attitude over there with an already strapped NHS that can barely cope is - ''oh well at least we'll cull off the old people and free up resources". Besides Italy and a few others they have the highest number of cases... and it is thought they are only a few weeks behind Italy in an explosion of cases and deaths. Have heard some very bad stories..

Edited March 13, 2020 by yuna628

[African Zealot 1,456]

18 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Since you don't know me, allow me to state that I did not vote for Trump.  Didn't really want him in charge.  But since he has been in charge, I think he has done more good for America than I have seen in MANY years of past leadership.  So while I don't "sniff his jockstrap", I do think he's a pretty effective president.  

 

1) Trump has no control over the CDC.  He can tweet, and call their director and recommend, but that is about all.  The CDC DID fail in the beginning by creating test kits that were inaccurate.  And I am sure when all this blows over, as it will, someone (or several someones) will be fired for that mistake.  Trump asked for extra funding for the CDC, and it was approved.  And what else happened?  Pelosi tried to sneak in funding for abortion.  ####### was THAT???  I hope that bothers YOU as much as it bothers ME.  That was underhanded, and at a time when such stupidity has ZERO place.

 

2) The UK is raging?  My sources show three confirmed cases, with one recovery already.  Not sure which one of us has the right info??   But yes, travel bans are sort of good, but they are NOT a first-move response.  Looking back, it probably made more sense to do it sooner, but doing it TOO soon would have had long-lasting economic effects that were not (at that time) warranted.  The effects of the current ban on travel will be hurting the US for years to come, mark my words.

 

3) We don't know yet what is false and what is true.  Personally, I think the MSM induced panic is causing people far more fear than is necessary.  We won't know what is right until later this year, unfortunately.  But looking back at SARS, MERS, H1N1, etc., here we are today, having a discussion about a new disease.  We can revisit this particular point in a few months and see what was warranted, eh?

 

While I am doing my best to keep from getting this virus, I realize that there is a 95% (perhaps greater?) chance that I WILL indeed contract it.  And if I do, I will do what I do every time I have gotten bad sick over my lifetime... stay home, in bed, drink plenty of fluids and soup broth, and avoid going out and infecting others. (Unlike the idiot who got on a plane in JFK and flew to PBI two days ago, KNOWING he had tested positive for CV19.  I hope that particular fool gets sued by other passengers on the plane, but that's just me being vindictive)

 

Take a deep breath.  Stay home as much as possible.  Feel free to PM me if you wish to talk, or I will give you my cell # and we can chat.  (Sometimes having someone to actually talk to helps). Just don't panic, do your best to avoid other potential carriers.  But in the end, realize that there is a HIGH likelihood that you will contract it.  If you are in the high-risk age category, it certainly makes the scenario potentially more scary, and yes, I am on the brink of it myself.  My younger, healthier spouse will be fine, I am sure, but I stand to struggle much harder with it, and perhaps won't make it.  But that's not up to me, all I can do is be as healthy as possible until it happens.

These are responses I can agree with. FYI I have also written on several Internet forums that this thing is way overblown and have called out the likes of CNN for fear mongering. In China which was particularly hard hit, only 2000 or people out of over one billion have died. The USA is overreacting badly, fed by the 24/7 cable networks.

 

I will beg to differ with you on how much control Trump has over CDC. The president of the USA carries a very big stick, never underestimate what he can do directly or indirectly.

 

I will also add that it is not exactly rosy in the UK and there is no reason they should be exempt. Check up their latest statistics and note our population is five times theirs but their infections are about same in number as hours hence the concentration of infection is way higher than ours.

 

Thanks for your encouragement and offer to talk to me. Much appreciated and if it gets to that point I will take you up on it. However I migrated from a very poor country where disease and poverty toughens one and makes us extremely resilient, it will take more than a few people dead from coronavirus to rattle me. I am going about life as usual, at my age and fitness and overall health level I am close to my prime. 

 

 

Edited March 13, 2020 by Ray.Bonaquist

[Steeleballz 7,550]

6 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Agree 200%.  As I pointed out in another post, S. Korea and China had a MUCH more organized test kit response than us due to them having already gone thru similar scenarios previously.  And it really hurt us that the CDC first made test kits that were faulty.  I think the CDC may have been a tad lax in their response due to the lack of proximity.... S. Korea obviously had a lot of pressure to get it done quickly based on location.

 

There shouldn't be ANY politicalization of this issue, anywhere, at least not until it is over.  If Trump screwed something up in hindsight, we can crucify him later.  But for now, I just don't see it.  If he were the head of the CDC, I would feel differently.

 

And let's be real... what administration was prepared for this?  How could they be?  

 

  I agree with you up to the end there. Governments have to put at least some thought and planning into emergency situations. We have been talking about pandemics for years. As bad as this is, we are lucky this was not something like avian flu.

 

  There are many levels of being prepared. Countries that put a lot of resources in will have better outcomes and can justify the cost now. Countries that put less in are behind the eight ball but may have had hard choices to make. Being unprepared is not excusable.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

7 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

VoR: virus cases in the UK are sitting in the high 700s, and the general attitude over there with an already strapped NHS that can barely cope is - ''oh well at least we'll cull off the old people and free up resources". Besides Italy and a few others they have the highest number of cases... and it is thought they are only a few weeks behind Italy in an explosion of cases and deaths. Have heard some very bad stories..

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-coronavirus-cases-reach-590-an-increase-of-134-in-24-hours-11956223

 

This has 590.  Definitely more than the covid-19 tracker I am using.

[yuna628 9,744]

If you're using the JHU tracker, which is great honestly, not every country has a full count attached. Current report as of a bit ago has it at 798. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-uk-cases-delay-phase-self-isolate-latest-live/

 

Some of these cases are also in areas which have severely depleted hospitals in the NHS system, of where my in-laws are located. They check in with us daily, because they are frightened about what's going on *here*... but my god, I am frightened for *them*.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 minutes ago, Ray.Bonaquist said:

These are responses I can agree with. FYI I have also written on several Internet forums that this thing is way overblown and have called out the likes of CNN for fear mongering. In China which was particularly hard hit, only 2000 or people out of over one billion have died. The USA is overreacting badly, fed by the 24/7 cable networks.

 

I will beg to differ with you on how much control Trump has over CDC. The president of the USA carries a very big stick, never underestimate what he can do directly or indirectly.

 

Thanks for your encouragement and offer to talk to me. Much appreciated and if it gets to that point I will take you up on it. However I migrated from a very poor country where disease and poverty toughens one, it will take more than a few people dead from coronavirus to rattle me. I am going about life as usual, at my age and fitness and overall health level I am close to my prime. 

 

 

Well, I am reading 3,180 deaths in China so far, but it's winding down over there, thankfully.  And due to population density as well as being ground zero, I think it will be harder hit than the US will be.  

 

Glad you are healthy and confident!  If you are the immigrant, and not the USC, I can see where you are coming from, both geographically and mentally.  Good for you.  Fingers crossed that I am right, and this won't be nearly as bad as some estimates are saying.  For ALL our sakes'.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

5 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

If you're using the JHU tracker, which is great honestly, not every country has a full count attached. Current report as of a bit ago has it at 798. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-uk-cases-delay-phase-self-isolate-latest-live/

 

Some of these cases are also in areas which have severely depleted hospitals in the NHS system, of where my in-laws are located. They check in with us daily, because they are frightened about what's going on *here*... but my god, I am frightened for *them*.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

 

back up:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

I don't think any site has a complete handle on the numbers, but when I see 2-3 that are within a few numbers of one another, it seems reasonable to think they are close enough.  As SB has said many times, we will never know the TRUE number, the same as we never do with the flu.

[African Zealot 1,456]

18 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Agree 200%.  As I pointed out in another post, S. Korea and China had a MUCH more organized test kit response than us due to them having already gone thru similar scenarios previously.  And it really hurt us that the CDC first made test kits that were faulty.  I think the CDC may have been a tad lax in their response due to the lack of proximity.... S. Korea obviously had a lot of pressure to get it done quickly based on location.

 

There shouldn't be ANY politicalization of this issue, anywhere, at least not until it is over.  If Trump screwed something up in hindsight, we can crucify him later.  But for now, I just don't see it.  If he were the head of the CDC, I would feel differently.

 

And let's be real... what administration was prepared for this?  How could they be?  

You started really well and then blew it up with your last sentence. Nobody is asking for perfection however why should South Korea’s response have been vastly superior to ours? 

 

Nobody is politicizing anything and if you knew me you would find out I am very likely way more conservative than you are, however I cannot and will not accept USA lagging behind the likes of South Korea. That is not the USA I chose to be educated in and ultimately made my home lawfully. This is not a third world nation. This is the greatest and only superpower in the world bar none.

 

And do say he’s not the head of CDC so he’s not to blame is laughable. If the USA response had been excellent he would take credit. The CEO of an organization takes the credit and conversely takes the blame for failings. That’s how it works. You don’t pick and choose.

 

THEY BLEW IT!

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

12 minutes ago, Ray.Bonaquist said:

You started really well and then blew it up with your last sentence. Nobody is asking for perfection however why should South Korea’s response have been vastly superior to ours? 

 

Nobody is politicizing anything and if you knew me you would find out I am very likely way more conservative than you are, however I cannot and will not accept USA lagging behind the likes of South Korea. That is not the USA I chose to be educated in and ultimately made my home lawfully. This is not a third world nation. This is the greatest and only superpower in the world bar none.

 

And do say he’s not the head of CDC so he’s not to blame is laughable. If the USA response had been excellent he would take credit. The CEO of an organization takes the credit and conversely takes the blame for failings. That’s how it works. You don’t pick and choose.

 

THEY BLEW IT!

Geography (very small country), population density, different system of government. These are not questions a rational person should have difficulty answering. 

 

Although, your insistence that you're not getting political after your repeated "Trump is done" diatribes is simply a lie and it seems you're really trying to just convince yourself more than anything else.

 

9 hours ago, Ray.Bonaquist said:

Trumps hopes of getting re-elected for another term died on Monday as the stock market crashed and he was universally derided for bungling the USA response to the virus. He always ties his success to the performance of the market and now it’s all gone. GONE!  What does Trump do when he doesn’t get his way or when cornered? He behaves more erratically in a scorched earth fashion. Basically he will take everyone down with him as he’s going down. That’s what we’re seeing. Don’t be surprised if Trump bombs Venezuela or does some similarly asinine outrageous thing. 

 

It’s easy to lead a country when things are groovy going smooth. Your mettle as a leader is tested when things are crashing and Trump is failing in succession.  Trump is going to do some extremely stupid things now that he realizes it’s essentially game over. The lunatics have taken over the asylum and this president has zero credibility. Anytime he opens his mouth, the stock market swoons. Evidence that even the little credibility he never had is all gone.

 

The CDC has always been awful. No one should've expected anything else. Trump can't magically turn the CDC into something it isn't.

Edited March 13, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Dashinka 24,869]

As a comparison, H1N1 resulted in a minimum of 18k deaths, and President Obama did not issue a state of emergency until the deaths were up to 1000.  All-in-all, administrations make mistakes when dealing with unforeseen emergencies, but it is interesting to see several Democrat politicians actually saying that Trump should act more like a totalitarian.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

13 minutes ago, Ray.Bonaquist said:

You started really well and then blew it up with your last sentence. Nobody is asking for perfection however why should South Korea’s response have been vastly superior to ours? 

 

Nobody is politicizing anything and if you knew me you would find out I am very likely way more conservative than you are, however I cannot and will not accept USA lagging behind the likes of South Korea. That is not the USA I chose to be educated in and ultimately made my home lawfully. This is not a third world nation. This is the greatest and only superpower in the world bar none.

 

And do say he’s not the head of CDC so he’s not to blame is laughable. If the USA response had been excellent he would take credit. The CEO of an organization takes the credit and conversely takes the blame for failings. That’s how it works. You don’t pick and choose.

 

THEY BLEW IT!

No, I didn't blow it.  No one, except maybe China and Korea, were "prepared" for this.  Look at Italy.  

 

But the thing to take away from this is to bear in mind that (political aside here) the candidates on the left, who are pushing for the government to run our healthcare for us, so it can be "free", such healthcare will likely be run by the CDC, or another organization created much like them.  And THAT is the quality of the free health care we will receive.  (political rant over).

 

I wasn't accusing you of politicizing the issue, nor do I know where you stand politically.  But it's happening all around us.  Here, FB, the MSM.  As regards S. Korea, they are a hard nation to exceed in many ways.  Technology and unity, certainly.  Their country was nearly decimated about 70 years ago, ripped apart by communist and socialist enemies, yet look where they are today.  World's fastest internet, a healthy economy, intelligent/educated populace.  US citizens don't have the drive to be all of that, sadly.  

 

Yes, you're right, Trump WOULD try to take credit had the CDC gotten things done right. Just as Obama was still trying to take credit for the economy two months ago.  And no one wants to admit they screwed up, least of all a rich bully.  But I think we can all see thru the smoke and mirrors of that BS, eh? It's easy for any sitting president to be blamed for a bad economy (as Obama was), or for them to try to take credit for a good economy (as both Trump and Obama were until last week), but the reality is the only influence they have on it is consumer confidence (or lack thereof).

 

And welcome to CEHST.  It's a whirlwind at times!

[African Zealot 1,456]

14 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Although, your insistence that you're not getting political after your repeated "Trump is done" diatribes is simply a lie and it seems you're really trying to just convince yourself more than anything else.

That’s the problem with the Trump jock strap sniffers. They believe everyone who criticizes trump is either liberal or a Trump hater and that everything Trump does is. They are no better than the far left liberals they denigrate and actually probably worse. One can be a conservative without being a Trump lapdog, you know? Lol

 

Just for the fun of it when I get around to it I will send you a PM later today with links to at least TEN articles I wrote on a discussion forum on my original country’s news website calling me an Obama hater, Trump supporter, and self hating African 😂🤣😂 for among other things supporting the wall and justifying it with scripture showing even the kingdom of heaven in Revelation has a tall wall around it.

 

Of course you are free to check the links or not. I will reemphasize the fact that I am ultra conservative doesn’t mean I will support stupidity.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,386]

Just now, Ray.Bonaquist said:

That’s the problem with the Trump jock strap sniffers. They believe everyone who criticizes trump is either liberal or a Trump hater and that everything Trump does is. They are no better than the far left liberals they denigrate and actually probably worse. One can be a conservative without being a Trump lapdog, you know? Lol

 

Just for the fun of it when I get around to it I will send you a PM later today with links to at least TEN articles I wrote on a discussion forum on my original country’s news website calling me an Obama hater, Trump supporter, and self hating African 😂🤣😂 for among other things supporting the wall and justifying it with scripture showing even the kingdom of heaven in Revelation has a tall wall around it.

 

Of course you are free to check the links or not. I will reemphasize the fact that I am ultra conservative doesn’t mean I will support stupidity.

I am pretty sure I never sniffed anyones jock strap!!!!!  Nice generalization about all Trump supporters while at the same time complaining about people that make generalizations