All things Corona Virus

[yuna628 9,677]

4 hours ago, Villanelle said:

@yuna628 I would LOVE an easy to do pattern! PM it to me if you can or I can give you my email. 

 

We did get our gas and a small bag of dog food. I made my husband remove his gun and leave it with me in the car while he went in. I also stressed to him to try to be as non-threatening as possible. While he didnt agree with either being necessary he knows I can be a bit over-reactive (where he can be a bit under-reactive IMO) so to appease me he left his gun and decided the best way to appear non threatening was to announce loudly upon walking in "Im not here to rob you. Just getting some dog food" 

 

I think the worst thing is though my daughter KNEW it was a wool blend yarn. She just doesnt believe I am allergic to wool, says its all in my head. No idea why she thinks that way. She claims she checked a label on a sweater of mine she borrowed one time and it said it contained wool therefore I am not allergic to wool! I imagine that particular sweater either had a very low amount of wool in it or the wool was blended in in a way that didnt bother me so much? She is just insistent that I am making up having a wool allergy and will constantly and intentionally expose me to wool products in the hopes that she will prove I am faking it. 

You can't receive PM's so it says. 

Here is the one we used. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBR98YKAr7w

The pattern is here with different sizes and cutouts. We did adjust as needed for different sizes. https://www.craftpassion.com/face-mask-sewing-pattern/

You can put any filter material into the pocket but I liked using a polypropylene fabric called Oly Fun. You can also make full masks out of Oly Fun (some hospitals specifically request this), in that case it would be fully disposable instead of re-washable, as Polypropylene will break down with enough washing eventually.

 

If you don't like this style of mask I can find a different pattern. My mom didn't care for the closeness to the face so we're going to try a standard one with pleats soon. 

 

I am also terribly allergic to wool, would never put something like that on my face.

[Dashinka 24,514]

Competing views from the UN.
 

UN warns coronavirus fallout will lead to the next pandemic – global starvation

https://www.foxnews.com/world/un-coronavirus-fallout-pandemic-global-starvation

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

On 4/28/2020 at 12:29 AM, laylalex said:

But that is not what the actual stories are saying. They say that money follows diagnoses and ventilators, not deaths. Where are the stories that say that money follows deaths? 

If my use of the word "death" somehow offends you, I am sorry.  Personally, I care not one little bit about covid CASES.  I only focus on the deaths, because that is forevah.

ANYTHING covid related in a hospital yields more moolah for the hospital/clinic, ok?  Any sort of treatment administered, care given, death registered, will net the medical facility more money than a non-coved one.  Is that clear enough?

[laylalex 7,289]

LOL, I like that you went back a couple of days to respond to this.  Just pulling your leg, I'm fine with it.

 

Anyway, everyone keeps telling you it's for treatment, not for deaths. Medicare isn't giving extra money for causes of death being COVID19 -- it's for ventilators and other virus-related care. Deaths related to COVID19 that received care after a diagnosis while alive will have netted more money for the hospitals for their care. But not every person who received care for COVID19 and netted more money for the hospitals died, and not every person who died with COVID19 as a cause of death during a hospital stay will have received care for the virus while alive. 

 

So you're talking only about a subset of people: (1) received treatment for COVID19 in a hospital and (2) COVID19 was a cause of death. So what about the people who died who did not receive care for the virus but have COVID19 as a cause of death? The hospital will not have received any payment, because there was no diagnosis before death. I mean, the operative thing is the care not the cause of death. You focused on the deaths, but it's not the deaths that are the catalyst for payment. It's diagnoses and care. @Steeleballz, does that sound right to you?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

5 minutes ago, laylalex said:

LOL, I like that you went back a couple of days to respond to this.  Just pulling your leg, I'm fine with it.

 

Anyway, everyone keeps telling you it's for treatment, not for deaths. Medicare isn't giving extra money for causes of death being COVID19 -- it's for ventilators and other virus-related care. Deaths related to COVID19 that received care after a diagnosis while alive will have netted more money for the hospitals for their care. But not every person who received care for COVID19 and netted more money for the hospitals died, and not every person who died with COVID19 as a cause of death during a hospital stay will have received care for the virus while alive. 

 

So you're talking only about a subset of people: (1) received treatment for COVID19 in a hospital and (2) COVID19 was a cause of death. So what about the people who died who did not receive care for the virus but have COVID19 as a cause of death? The hospital will not have received any payment, because there was no diagnosis before death. I mean, the operative thing is the care not the cause of death. You focused on the deaths, but it's not the deaths that are the catalyst for payment. It's diagnoses and care. @Steeleballz, does that sound right to you?

I try not to ignore my friends.  But have been working outside a lot lately.  Home improvements, garden, helping my neighbor paint his place, but today, decided to go all risky and go boating for a while before working.  This is the first time I've been on VJ since last we were sparring.

Like I said, I used the word DEATH because that is all that matters to me, personally.  But ALL departments in a hospital are an entity unto themselves, and entitled to their own billing.  So whether or not a person was treated, and had covid, and was thusly billed out at 20% extra, whenever that body hits the morgue, there is no doubt in my mind that said billing from the morgue to whomever will be higher due to the covid designation.  So yes, even covid deaths, not just treatments, will net a higher gain.  

So back to the original statement... it is more profitable for hospitals to code patients as covid-19, so they do it whenever they can.  As demonstrated in a separate video by professionals, there is pressure to code patients as covid.  Pretty simple to grasp, overall.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

11 minutes ago, laylalex said:

LOL, I like that you went back a couple of days to respond to this.  Just pulling your leg, I'm fine with it.

 

Anyway, everyone keeps telling you it's for treatment, not for deaths. Medicare isn't giving extra money for causes of death being COVID19 -- it's for ventilators and other virus-related care. Deaths related to COVID19 that received care after a diagnosis while alive will have netted more money for the hospitals for their care. But not every person who received care for COVID19 and netted more money for the hospitals died, and not every person who died with COVID19 as a cause of death during a hospital stay will have received care for the virus while alive. 

 

So you're talking only about a subset of people: (1) received treatment for COVID19 in a hospital and (2) COVID19 was a cause of death. So what about the people who died who did not receive care for the virus but have COVID19 as a cause of death? The hospital will not have received any payment, because there was no diagnosis before death. I mean, the operative thing is the care not the cause of death. You focused on the deaths, but it's not the deaths that are the catalyst for payment. It's diagnoses and care. @Steeleballz, does that sound right to you?

 

   Indeed. The money is not based on being Covid-19 positive. If someone comes to ER with mild symptoms and gets sent home and 3 days later their test comes back positive for Covid-19, they don't get charged more. If someone comes into ER and dies and the autopsy leads to a Covid-19 test that comes back positive, they don't get charged more.

 

  If a patient is admitted with suspected Covid-19 and gets an isolation room in a labor intensive ICU setting, then yes they will get billed more, because that costs more. They will get billed more regardless of whether their test comes back positive or negative. As long as someone is suspected of having Covid-19, it costs more to treat them.  

[laylalex 7,289]

We do not disagree that hospitals get more money for COVID19 treatment. But I am pretty sure people in this thread, health care professionals, have said that hospitals get in trouble for intentionally miscoding diagnoses. There's no vast health-wing conspiracy here, AFAIK.

12 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

I try not to ignore my friends.  But have been working outside a lot lately.  Home improvements, garden, helping my neighbor paint his place, but today, decided to go all risky and go boating for a while before working.  This is the first time I've been on VJ since last we were sparring.

Yay for getting outside and doing things! I had a very long walk today myself, out for about three hours. Marine layer was very low today and I actually got a little chilly. The beach now has temporary chain link fencing blocking access -- last time I had walked along Ocean Ave, it was just kind of taped off. Now it's all of Palisades Park and even all the meters along the park and the bluff that you can't get near. But the governor is making some encouraging noises about opening up again in a few weeks, not everything, and not all at once, but I miss my beach walks. However I'm happy to do my part to keep the curve flattening here. SM cases last I heard were lower than LA in per capita terms. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

45 minutes ago, laylalex said:

We do not disagree that hospitals get more money for COVID19 treatment. But I am pretty sure people in this thread, health care professionals, have said that hospitals get in trouble for intentionally miscoding diagnoses. There's no vast health-wing conspiracy here, AFAIK.

Yay for getting outside and doing things! I had a very long walk today myself, out for about three hours. Marine layer was very low today and I actually got a little chilly. The beach now has temporary chain link fencing blocking access -- last time I had walked along Ocean Ave, it was just kind of taped off. Now it's all of Palisades Park and even all the meters along the park and the bluff that you can't get near. But the governor is making some encouraging noises about opening up again in a few weeks, not everything, and not all at once, but I miss my beach walks. However I'm happy to do my part to keep the curve flattening here. SM cases last I heard were lower than LA in per capita terms. 

I don't know of any "health care professionals" in this thread.  Just a bunch of CEHST posters arguing about the FACT that hospitals get paid more for dealing with covid patients, and therefore there is a push (pressure) to code more patients as covid whenever possible.  So a guy admitted with a heart attack who dies, and it turns out they also had covid, BAM!  (S)he will be coded as covid IOT increase revenue.  

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

59 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Indeed. The money is not based on being Covid-19 positive. If someone comes to ER with mild symptoms and gets sent home and 3 days later their test comes back positive for Covid-19, they don't get charged more. If someone comes into ER and dies and the autopsy leads to a Covid-19 test that comes back positive, they don't get charged more.

 

  If a patient is admitted with suspected Covid-19 and gets an isolation room in a labor intensive ICU setting, then yes they will get billed more, because that costs more. They will get billed more regardless of whether their test comes back positive or negative. As long as someone is suspected of having Covid-19, it costs more to treat them.  

From what I have read and been told  its reimbursed the same as if the had any other acute severe respiratory distress and were in the ICU on a vent.

[Sonotony 82]

17 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

From what I have read and been told  its reimbursed the same as if the had any other acute severe respiratory distress and were in the ICU on a vent.

I have seen multiple news reports where several doctors say they are under extreme pressure to code deaths as covid. There are other reasons besides compensation for this. A lot of it is political in nature.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

6 minutes ago, Sonotony said:

I have seen multiple news reports where several doctors say they are under extreme pressure to code deaths as covid. There are other reasons besides compensation for this. A lot of it is political in nature.

Please stop posting like this.  It really detracts from my loony, conspiracy theorist schtick that certain select members are trying to paint me into.

[laylalex 7,289]

32 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

I don't know of any "health care professionals" in this thread.  Just a bunch of CEHST posters arguing about the FACT that hospitals get paid more for dealing with covid patients, and therefore there is a push (pressure) to code more patients as covid whenever possible.  So a guy admitted with a heart attack who dies, and it turns out they also had covid, BAM!  (S)he will be coded as covid IOT increase revenue.  

Pretty sure Steeleballz is a health care professional. Anyway, if the guy with the heart attack did not receive treatment/was not diagnosed with COVID19 before he died, and the cause of death was attributed to COVID19 post mortem (in part at least), there is no extra money going to the hospital. I.... don't really know how this is in dispute? The money is for treatment. 

 

I am so puzzled by why we are still talking about this. 

[Sonotony 82]

43 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Please stop posting like this.  It really detracts from my loony, conspiracy theorist schtick that certain select members are trying to paint me into.

Okay, I’m sorry. There are no hidden agendas, political or financial. Everything is on the up and up. All covid reporting has been 100% consistent and accurate across the world. There may be a random error of one or two cases... except in China. The communist government has been 100% accurate and transparent. 
 

 

[OriZ 3,157]

3 hours ago, laylalex said:

We do not disagree that hospitals get more money for COVID19 treatment. But I am pretty sure people in this thread, health care professionals, have said that hospitals get in trouble for intentionally miscoding diagnoses. There's no vast health-wing conspiracy here, AFAIK.

Yay for getting outside and doing things! I had a very long walk today myself, out for about three hours. Marine layer was very low today and I actually got a little chilly. The beach now has temporary chain link fencing blocking access -- last time I had walked along Ocean Ave, it was just kind of taped off. Now it's all of Palisades Park and even all the meters along the park and the bluff that you can't get near. But the governor is making some encouraging noises about opening up again in a few weeks, not everything, and not all at once, but I miss my beach walks. However I'm happy to do my part to keep the curve flattening here. SM cases last I heard were lower than LA in per capita terms. 

Today was the first time in seven weeks we had ZERO cases here. Kinda nice. Took me almost all day to realize it wasn't just that they haven't reported it yet lol

Edited April 30, 2020 by OriZ

[yuna628 9,677]

No signs of the virus slowing down in MD.

 

• Hundreds of cases in my town. 
• Even far more rural areas beginning to see clusters of outbreaks in particular around major poultry plants.
• About 46% of cases in MD have all been individuals residing in nursing homes
• Of the 1000+ that have died, 400+ have all been those same residents
• Nursing homes have not been compliant with the military teams sent to assist.. some horrible stories similar to NY and NJ. With bodies being left in closets.
• Governor just ordered all residents and staff must be tested. I think this was a no brainer and should have been done sooner.
• Rest of the deaths have all been younger to middle aged persons. Some kids too. 
• Doctors still continuing to run scared of seeing patients that need being seen to.
• Offices that do remain open to provide care including veterinary services are running very low on PPE and cleaning supplies. If an office must remain open they are mandated to constantly clean surfaces with what little they have.
• DE also still seeing major outbreak clusters with no evidence of slowing compared to other states. They've been increasing testing and finding more positives. Some of those traveled for care over the state line. In fact the Governor admitted they were doing worse compared to their original modeling and were set to surpass federal estimates.
• We do keep a list of negative tests. However people who had actual negatives, repeat tests to be sure, people who needed a test to prove they were recovered (negative), or those that had some other illness other than COVID are all lumped in. I really wish we could get a breakdown of these numbers.
• After a brief return of meat, once again the panic is back and supplies are low. Local butchers have been doing a hell of a business but have had to increase prices.
• All of the other items still remain in very short supply. A new oddity seems to be tampons and pads. My husband speculated maybe people were using them as filter material on their faces. Had a bit of a laugh about that.
• Leaked report last night about Phase 1, 2 and 3 of MD's recovery plan. 1 would start middle of next month and revert to current conditions at any time. Phase 2 likely would start in September for the rest of the year and likelihood of reverting is high during a relapse phase expected. Phase 3 not even being considered. This means for the rest of the year businesses would still not be allowed to operate as normal. Schools aren't even on the table.