All things Corona Virus

[Villanelle 4,122]

I dont think its necessarily about being reimbursed due to cause of death. No one is reimbursed for a death but they are reimbursed at a higher rate if they gave treatment for COVID diagnosis prior to death. Its a fact that hospitals are paid more when its coded COVID. Coded would mean its added to the patients list of diagnosis's in some way.  The question would be if someone has COVID listed and then dies would the death be reported as COVID? The assumption being made is yes. And there is an obvious problem if people are being coded for COVID with out testing in order for increased billing and that subsequently causes the actual number of cases and deaths to be inaccurate. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  You are posting incorrect information that originated on social media. Again, there is no money reimbursed tied to cause of death. If you can't understand that, we are just going around in circles. I understand your distrust of mainstream media, but if you can't discern fact from BS on social media, there is no difference.

 

 Medical billing is certainly not something I deal with, so I'm not claiming any expertise. I do know people though, and I have no agenda. The only reason I looked into it at all was because of the misinformation you posted. As myopic as my view may be, it still has more perspective than yours.

You obviously have a lot of time on your hands to be able to post on here instead of working a clinic, so perhaps you should take the time to actually read the article as opposed to dismissing it out of hand.  How is this social media?  (Which I don't have, FWIW).

 

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Hospitals get paid more money if a patient is coded for the novel coronavirus, even if they haven’t been tested in some states, multiple fact-checking sites have confirmed, including USA Today, Politifact, and Snopes. Hospitals get a 20% add-on for COVID-19-coded patients and roughly three times as much if such patients are placed on a ventilator.

 

[laylalex 7,288]

Nobody disagrees about that. We were talking about deaths. Where is the evidence about hospitals getting paid more to classify deaths as being COVID19 related?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

11 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Nobody disagrees about that. We were talking about deaths. Where is the evidence about hospitals getting paid more to classify deaths as being COVID19 related?

Well, people who die fromANYTHING, but have covid, they are coded as such.  And the facility receive more money because of that.  That is EXACTLY what I have been saying for a while now, much to the disdain of some. 

If a person dies from a heart attack, but they have covid, they are coded as covid.  Not necessarily because covid killed them.  A person who was young and died because he had stage 4 cancer (unknown until he died), and he also tested positive for covid, so his death became a covid statistic.  But because they get a larger sum of money if it's covid related.  If you cannot follow the money trail to see where it leads, I'm sorry.  

[laylalex 7,288]

But that is not what the actual stories are saying. They say that money follows diagnoses and ventilators, not deaths. Where are the stories that say that money follows deaths? 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Just now, laylalex said:

But that is not what the actual stories are saying. They say that money follows diagnoses and ventilators, not deaths. Where are the stories that say that money follows deaths? 

Guess what those people who are listed as dying from covid were doing just prior to dying?

[laylalex 7,288]

That's not an answer, really sorry. Where are the reports showing that hospitals are getting more money for reporting deaths as being due to COVID19?

 

Sorry to be a pedant, I'm curious and bored and don't feel like working on my novel tonight. Help me in the derailment thread instead.  

[OriZ 3,157]

Well, how about some good news for today

 

We are down to a 2.4% increase in cases over yesterday for the global(ex china) average, with a 7 day average of 3.16%. The increase in active cases over the last 24 hours was only 1.09%, you could claim essentially almost flat. In many European and Asian countries(Italy, Switzerland, Austria, Germany, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and many more) increase in active cases is actually negative now, meaning there are more people healing or dying every day than new cases. But the global average doesn't reflect that because that isn't yet the case in the US, nor is it in Brazil, India, Mexico and some other relatively large countries that didn't experience significant outbursts till later on.

[TBoneTX 45,319]

In even better news, Texas is opening up even more as of Friday.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

You obviously have a lot of time on your hands to be able to post on here instead of working a clinic, so perhaps you should take the time to actually read the article as opposed to dismissing it out of hand.  How is this social media?  (Which I don't have, FWIW).

 

 

 

  So if you understand this, why do you keep posting that hospitals get paid more if a patients death gets coded as a Covid-19 death?  

 

  

 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

Well, people who die fromANYTHING, but have covid, they are coded as such.  And the facility receive more money because of that.  That is EXACTLY what I have been saying for a while now, much to the disdain of some. 

If a person dies from a heart attack, but they have covid, they are coded as covid.  Not necessarily because covid killed them.  A person who was young and died because he had stage 4 cancer (unknown until he died), and he also tested positive for covid, so his death became a covid statistic.  But because they get a larger sum of money if it's covid related.  If you cannot follow the money trail to see where it leads, I'm sorry.  

 

  No, what you keep saying is hospitals get paid more if Covid-19 is the cause of death.

 

  

Edited April 28, 2020 by Steeleballz

[TBoneTX 45,319]

Stop the bickering now, please.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 hours ago, Villanelle said:

I dont think its necessarily about being reimbursed due to cause of death. No one is reimbursed for a death but they are reimbursed at a higher rate if they gave treatment for COVID diagnosis prior to death. Its a fact that hospitals are paid more when its coded COVID. Coded would mean its added to the patients list of diagnosis's in some way.  The question would be if someone has COVID listed and then dies would the death be reported as COVID? The assumption being made is yes. And there is an obvious problem if people are being coded for COVID with out testing in order for increased billing and that subsequently causes the actual number of cases and deaths to be inaccurate. 

 

   People are billed based on the treatment they get. Getting treated for Covid-19 costs more than getting treated for pneumonia so hospitals are billing and getting reimbursed more for Covid-19. If someone is in ICU on isolation for 5 days with suspected Covid-19 symptoms and dies of cardiac arrest on day 6, they will be billed for the Covid-19 treatment they got. Whether the cause of death is listed as Covid-19 with cardiac arrest, cardiac arrest with Covid-19, or cardiac arrest with suspected Covid-19 will not change what is billed or reimbursed.

 

 On the other hand, if someone dies of a heart attack and they somehow later learn the patient had Covid-19 but never had symptoms or treatment, they are not billed for Covid-19 related treatment. Even if they list Covid-19 on the death report, it would not get reimbursed.

 

If someone comes in with a broken leg and is treated and billed for Covid-19 without having infection or symptoms, then yes that breaks several laws. The cost for doing that is exponentially more than what Covid-19 treatment would cost. 

[OriZ 3,157]

This is kind of interesting. Thoughts?

 

https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25417/20200422/29-percent-similarity-between-coronavirus-rubella-virus-help-mmr-vaccine.htm

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

It is interesting, especially in relating it to age since the vaccine was not developed during boomers youth, the random kid infection, I wonder if it could be tracked to anti-vaxxers