All things Corona Virus

[Steeleballz 7,550]

10 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Definitely a hospital. I got the original message from her in a group text earlier today -- if I find out which facility, I'll let you know.

 

  Thanks. I would be curious to know which one it is. I know people at most hospitals in the area so I would really like to know what's going on.

[NikLR 13,232]

9 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   The antibody test is not widely available yet, but it supposedly will be soon. I know Labcorp has started doing them in Colorado, but I don't think they are available to the public just yet. My feeling is anyone who suspects they might have had Covid-19 should probably get the antibody test done when it's available. 

 

   Walking pneumonia is usually a virus, so it could be any respiratory virus that persists at a low level. Other Coronaviruses sometimes cause it, so theoretically Covid-19 could present as walking pneumonia too, but the nasal swab test should be positive if it was due to Covid-19. Sometimes the symptoms of walking pneumonia persist for a few weeks after the virus is completely cleared due to the inflammation that occurred during the immune response.

Well I say walking... it's possible it's just plain pneumonia (not sure theres a difference?) and the woman has no idea how to rest. She keeps trying to go running and working out even though she can't breathe. Prolly why she can't get better. Regardless they gave her some antibiotics after a chest xray and said she had pneumonia (that they've also suspected for 2 weeks or more.)  Her covid-19 came back negative. She's been sick since March 12 which was over a month ago.  (Rechecked some dates.) So even if she had covid 19 (she was exposed) it would have cleared up by now since it wasn't a hospitalization case right? It's definitely past 2 weeks and she stayed home for 2 weeks. 

[OriZ 3,157]

1 hour ago, NikLR said:

Well I say walking... it's possible it's just plain pneumonia (not sure theres a difference?) and the woman has no idea how to rest. She keeps trying to go running and working out even though she can't breathe. Prolly why she can't get better. Regardless they gave her some antibiotics after a chest xray and said she had pneumonia (that they've also suspected for 2 weeks or more.)  Her covid-19 came back negative. She's been sick since March 12 which was over a month ago.  (Rechecked some dates.) So even if she had covid 19 (she was exposed) it would have cleared up by now since it wasn't a hospitalization case right? It's definitely past 2 weeks and she stayed home for 2 weeks. 

It depends. Some people suffer from effects of it long after they test negative for the virus, and one of the effects is shortness of breath from the damage it does to your lungs, which could be permanent or require serious rehabilitation. I would see if I could get a serological test if I were her.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 hours ago, NikLR said:

Well I say walking... it's possible it's just plain pneumonia (not sure theres a difference?) and the woman has no idea how to rest. She keeps trying to go running and working out even though she can't breathe. Prolly why she can't get better. Regardless they gave her some antibiotics after a chest xray and said she had pneumonia (that they've also suspected for 2 weeks or more.)  Her covid-19 came back negative. She's been sick since March 12 which was over a month ago.  (Rechecked some dates.) So even if she had covid 19 (she was exposed) it would have cleared up by now since it wasn't a hospitalization case right? It's definitely past 2 weeks and she stayed home for 2 weeks. 

 

   There are cases of Covid-19 where the infection persisted for longer, and like Oriz said, there are many cases where the symptoms persist after the infection is over. I think it's common for symptoms to persist for several weeks with walking pneumonia, but they should be getting better by that time. 

 

  National Jewish Hospital in Denver, just started doing the antibody test at their drive up location, either self referral or with a doctors order. The cost without insurance coverage is $94 but it should be covered by insurance if a doctor orders it. The drive up appointment has to be scheduled online. I think it's going to be busy at first, but I think there will be more labs doing the testing shortly. 

[laylalex 7,300]

52 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   There are cases of Covid-19 where the infection persisted for longer, and like Oriz said, there are many cases where the symptoms persist after the infection is over. I think it's common for symptoms to persist for several weeks with walking pneumonia, but they should be getting better by that time. 

 

  National Jewish Hospital in Denver, just started doing the antibody test at their drive up location, either self referral or with a doctors order. The cost without insurance coverage is $94 but it should be covered by insurance if a doctor orders it. The drive up appointment has to be scheduled online. I think it's going to be busy at first, but I think there will be more labs doing the testing shortly. 

There is a drive up self-referral antibody test location in Burbank now, and it costs the same. Also requires an appointment. I'm still convinced I may have had it at the end of last year/beginning of this one, so I'm going to go, as soon as the first wave of demand goes down.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, laylalex said:

There is a drive up self-referral antibody test location in Burbank now, and it costs the same. Also requires an appointment. I'm still convinced I may have had it at the end of last year/beginning of this one, so I'm going to go, as soon as the first wave of demand goes down.

 

  I'm waiting for a bit too, but I would get it even if I had to pay. I don't want to spend hours waiting in a parking lot, but I think it will be easier to get done in a week or two. They might test us through work too, so I might just wait and see if/when they will be doing that. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

16 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    Hospitals don't get paid by cause of death. I'm still not sure why you think that, but I give up trying to explain.

#metoo

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/yes-hospitals-get-paid-more-for-coronavirus-coded-patients-even-if-they-havent-been-tested

 

[laylalex 7,300]

But, that's not what that article is saying. It's saying that hospitals get more money if patients have COVID19 and are on ventilators. Not that hospitals get more money if a patient dies and the cause of death is from COVID19. 

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Hospitals get paid more money if a patient is coded for the novel coronavirus, even if they haven’t been tested in some states, multiple fact-checking sites have confirmed, including USA Today, Politifact, and Snopes. Hospitals get a 20% add-on for COVID-19-coded patients and roughly three times as much if such patients are placed on a ventilator.

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“Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it’s considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases,” the fact-checker explains.

The other stuff is some hypothesizing by Dr. Jensen, who's also a MN state senator. The fact-checked parts don't support that. Maybe Dr. Jensen is correct but I don't see that explicitly laid out.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

24 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

#metoo

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/yes-hospitals-get-paid-more-for-coronavirus-coded-patients-even-if-they-havent-been-tested

 

 

  That's the same article you posted originally, just from a different site. I'm not going to refute it again. Please see previous posts.

 

  Do you feel that it's helpful posting the same article from different sites? It's the second time you have done it. It doesn't really help your case.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,382]

21 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  That's the same article you posted originally, just from a different site. I'm not going to refute it again. Please see previous posts.

 

  Do you feel that it's helpful posting the same article from different sites? It's the second time you have done it. It doesn't really help your case.

I talked to a friend that does billing. From what I understand they pay the same amount for Non Covid upper respiratory cases. Codes are the same.

Also Medicare pays for medical treatment not death. 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I talked to a friend that does billing. From what I understand they pay the same amount for Non Covid upper respiratory cases. Codes are the same.

Also Medicare pays for medical treatment not death. 

 

  Yep, medicare based the payment for Covid-19 based on standard treatment for acute respiratory failure. The only different thing about Covid-19 is that medicare is reimbursing hospitals for uninsured patients. Normally they wouldn't do that. From what I have been told, if an uninsured person has symptoms of Covid-19 and is admitted to hospital and later tests negative, medicare still reimburses for that. As you said, it's based on the treatment given.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,382]

Here is the thing.

 

We are going to look back at this and go, yes we probably should have done some things diffrent. We got hit with something we knew nothing about. Look at how much we thought we knew in the beginning,  that we now know is not accurate.  A few ramblings 

 

Did we overreact.  Maybe? What if we under reacted and hospitals got overwhelmed and 100s of 1000s died. I doubt we will ever know the real answers. For many its become a I told you so and they just want to be right. On both sides.

 

For too many its just become political and no matter who does what its just used for political purposes. 

 

Has the Trump Admin been perfect. No, but overall he assembled a good team that has done a good job. The whole "testing" thing is nothing but political finger pointing.  Does the left think we can have 325 million tests ready to go in 2 months from scratch?

 

The conspiracy crowd. So Trump shut down his on economy to help the dems get elected in 2020? 

 

As for its no worse than the flu. Does anyone still think that? I think that train left the station. 

 

In closing . I am moving in the direction of we may have overreacted some, at least in Ga. Here all we really did was shut down small businesses 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  That's the same article you posted originally, just from a different site. I'm not going to refute it again. Please see previous posts.

 

  Do you feel that it's helpful posting the same article from different sites? It's the second time you have done it. It doesn't really help your case.

You say A.  I say B.  We disagree.  Your view of this is extremely myopic at best, as you are (allegedly) working in ONE medical facility, in ONE state.  I conceded that YOUR organization may not be up=charging for covid deaths.  But you are only one among THOUSANDS of facilities, and clearly, SOME of them are getting more money if the death is coded as covid.  It's really simple to understand, I don't see why you are still trying to refute it.

[laylalex 7,300]

Can you point to something that states that other medical facilities in other states are definitely getting more money from Medicare for coding deaths as being from COVID19? I mean, there's a lot of conjecture but there doesn't seem to be anything backing it up. Medical treatment, sure, I think we all agree on that. But deaths?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

9 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

You say A.  I say B.  We disagree.  Your view of this is extremely myopic at best, as you are (allegedly) working in ONE medical facility, in ONE state.  I conceded that YOUR organization may not be up=charging for covid deaths.  But you are only one among THOUSANDS of facilities, and clearly, SOME of them are getting more money if the death is coded as covid.  It's really simple to understand, I don't see why you are still trying to refute it.

 

  You are posting incorrect information that originated on social media. Again, there is no money reimbursed tied to cause of death. If you can't understand that, we are just going around in circles. I understand your distrust of mainstream media, but if you can't discern fact from BS on social media, there is no difference.

 

 Medical billing is certainly not something I deal with, so I'm not claiming any expertise. I do know people though, and I have no agenda. The only reason I looked into it at all was because of the misinformation you posted. As myopic as my view may be, it still has more perspective than yours.