All things Corona Virus

[Dashinka 24,736]

Hundreds dead in Iran after consuming methanol thinking it was coronavirus protection
 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/hundreds-dead-iran-methanol-coronavirus-protection

[Steeleballz 7,550]

On 3/24/2020 at 7:22 PM, Voice of Reason said:

I have only read of two different strains, the second more benign than the original.  Do you have a reference to these other mutations we can read about?  It would be awesome if it keeps getting weaker as each mutation you refer to is happening.

 

   Here's an article that describes how the virus continually mutates. All RNA viruses tend to work this way. The article is a little more clear than the way I described it in my previous post.

 

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/25/820998549/the-coronavirus-is-mutating-but-that-may-not-be-a-problem-for-humans

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Hundreds dead in Iran after consuming methanol thinking it was coronavirus protection
 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/hundreds-dead-iran-methanol-coronavirus-protection

Covidiots.  Sad that so many people will listen to social media.  The spread of fear and disinformation is making this disease far worse than it needs to be.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Meanwhile, here is exactly how people SHOULD be reacting.  Time after time, South Korea proves themselves as a nation worthy of emulating.

 

 

[Dashinka 24,736]

37 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Meanwhile, here is exactly how people SHOULD be reacting.  Time after time, South Korea proves themselves as a nation worthy of emulating.

 

 

South Korea never shut down their country either.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

7 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

South Korea never shut down their country either.

 

  Perhaps if we had reacted early enough, we wouldn't have had to either. Those are the consequences of procrastinating. We waited too long to even be able to try to do what SK did.

[Dashinka 24,736]

Here is what I don’t understand.  NY reported 53 deaths today almost half of what it was yesterday, and yet we get headlines saying otherwise.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8160603/New-York-state-coronavirus-death-toll-soars-519.html
 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[yuna628 9,700]

31 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Here is what I don’t understand.  NY reported 53 deaths today almost half of what it was yesterday, and yet we get headlines saying otherwise.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8160603/New-York-state-coronavirus-death-toll-soars-519.html
 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

You're going to see deaths happen in waves. Some smaller and some larger. Also that's the Daily Fail, you're going to get a load of hooey hype from that publication. Italy had over 900 deaths today.

 

What I mean about waves in.. in some cases people, depending on the person take a short time to die after their initial lengthy incubation period. But it seems like in many others that death is an agonizingly slow one that will stretch for weeks until they gasp their last. I just read from JAMA a study on using the plasma antibodies in a group of five persons. By the time they used it they had already been in the ICU and on a vent for a remarkable amount of days. Even after using the treatment it took (I think) 12-22 days for their bodies to respond, in many cases they were on a vent for 55 days (the only thing that is keeping them alive) and even when they recovered the damage was quite severe on the body. Long term care and other treatments to support them. The less vents and treatments available because of shortages the more people will die and will not be supported, and eventually people will start dying that are non-COVID related because there's nothing left for them either. So I suspect we'll see patterns of smaller groups dying one day, and then a few days later large groups.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

 

   The totals are also not necessarily in real time. If someone dies between 18:00 and midnight, that probably won't be reflected in the totals until at least the next day. Possibly longer in places where there are a lot of casualties.

[Dashinka 24,736]

23 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   The totals are also not necessarily in real time. If someone dies between 18:00 and midnight, that probably won't be reflected in the totals until at least the next day. Possibly longer in places where there are a lot of casualties.

That is just it, the totals are not real time and the total of those actually infected is completely unknown.  For all we know, this virus has been circulating for months in the US and the EU.  I hope the CDC works out the antibody test soon.

 

Regardless, my point was more about the way the media was reporting this issue.  Sure, the DM is fairly over-the-top, but it is interesting that they got the total number right, 519, but completely missed on the increase based on the Worldometer data.

 

Lastly, I really think three IPAs on Friday is a cure, maybe I will market that.  JK.

Edited March 27, 2020 by Dashinka

[laylalex 7,300]

10 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Lastly, I really think three IPAs on Friday is a cure, maybe I will market that.  JK.

I endorse this cure.  

[Steeleballz 7,550]

6 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

That is just it, the totals are not real time and the total of those actually infected is completely unknown.  For all we know, this virus has been circulating for months in the US and the EU.  I hope the CDC works out the antibody test soon.

 

Regardless, my point was more about the way the media was reporting this issue.  Sure, the DM is fairly over-the-top, but it is interesting that they got the total number right, 519, but completely missed on the increase based on the Worldometer data.

 

Lastly, I really think three IPAs on Friday is a cure, maybe I will market that.  JK.

 

   At this point, things are being driven by the saturation of the health care system. How many asymptomatic carriers there are doesn't change that for the moment. The higher the rate of asymptomatic carriers, the less severe the illness actually is and ostensibly, the faster it will be over. Right now it's hard to base policy around that.

 

  

[Dashinka 24,736]

15 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   At this point, things are being driven by the saturation of the health care system. How many asymptomatic carriers there are doesn't change that for the moment. The higher the rate of asymptomatic carriers, the less severe the illness actually is and ostensibly, the faster it will be over. Right now it's hard to base policy around that.

 

  

I agree, so the question is what model are they using to determine who will need hospitalization because not everyone that tests positive will need that.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

4 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

I agree, so the question is what model are they using to determine who will need hospitalization because not everyone that tests positive will need that.

 

  They are basing it on the fact that hospitals are close to capacity right now. We have been converting different wards every day. Surgeries are cancelled so surgical care has been converted to isolation. Trying to stay one step ahead until we don't have to. I don't know how long it will be. To complicate things, elective surgeries don't stay elective forever either. 

 

  If it was up to me, this would be over tomorrow. Since it isn't up to me, I would rather be prepared for what we know is coming. We may not be able to predict what happens 2 weeks from now, but we are trying to prepare for what now might look like in 2 weeks. If that makes any sense.

[Dashinka 24,736]

4 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  They are basing it on the fact that hospitals are close to capacity right now. We have been converting different wards every day. Surgeries are cancelled so surgical care has been converted to isolation. Trying to stay one step ahead until we don't have to. I don't know how long it will be. To complicate things, elective surgeries don't stay elective forever either. 

 

  If it was up to me, this would be over tomorrow. Since it isn't up to me, I would rather be prepared for what we know is coming. We may not be able to predict what happens 2 weeks from now, but we are trying to prepare for what now might look like in 2 weeks. If that makes any sense.

It makes perfect sense, and I hope it ends very soon as well.  I am not sure anyone could have been prepared for this, but we are doing what we can. I wish you luck with what you are doing, I have two nieces that are nurse practitioners, but so far they have not been overwhelmed, but I understand.