All things Corona Virus

[Boiler 45,399]

Wonder what they define as a Covid death?

 

Somebody who had Covid

 

Somebody who has Covid

 

Somebody who knew someone who had Covid

 

Seems most people who die with a Covid tag have multiple conditions so is a percentage allocated to Covid?

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

13 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

 

The month prior to the election?  Coincidence???? 

 

(219,695 deaths to date, for reference)

 

The average daily deaths for 1-10 Oct is 720.8.  In order to see 20,000 more, we would need to see that average jump to ~953 per day.  Let's keep an eye out.

 

https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/us-daily-deaths

You'll only see that eye being kept out if the news is bad, otherwise, crickets+some other invented scandal by the media.

 

3 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Wonder what they define as a Covid death?

 

Somebody who had Covid

 

Somebody who has Covid

 

Somebody who knew someone who had Covid

 

Seems most people who die with a Covid tag have multiple conditions so is a percentage allocated to Covid?

 

Don't forget the other lefty criteria:

 

Someone who has ties to someone who has covid

 

Someone who was accused of having covid

 

Someone who amplifies a person accused of having covid

 

Someone seen in a picture with someone who has ties to someone with covid

Edited October 12, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Wonder what they define as a Covid death?

 

Somebody who had Covid

 

Somebody who has Covid

 

Somebody who knew someone who had Covid

 

Seems most people who die with a Covid tag have multiple conditions so is a percentage allocated to Covid?

Well, when they began monetizing covid care, it pretty much skewed up all the data from that point forward.  We will probably never really know the real numbers, except via the total deaths per year standpoint.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

23 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Wonder what they define as a Covid death?

 

Somebody who had Covid

 

Somebody who has Covid

 

Somebody who knew someone who had Covid

 

Seems most people who die with a Covid tag have multiple conditions so is a percentage allocated to Covid?

 

   Someone who dies as a result of Covid-19.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Someone who dies as a result of Covid-19.

No.  Someone WITH covid counts as well.  Like the people who died in motorcycle crashes who "died from covid" this year.  Never in my life have I heard of a motorcycle crash victim "dying from the flu".

[laylalex 7,284]

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-health-officials-confirm-motorcyclists-death-was-removed-from-covid-19-death-toll

 

Update to that story. 

[Boiler 45,399]

15 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Someone who dies as a result of Covid-19.

There is no mention in the story you linked to that states what they count.

 

And as it seems many reporting agencies have different definitions it seems practically impossible for this to be the case.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

5 minutes ago, laylalex said:

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-health-officials-confirm-motorcyclists-death-was-removed-from-covid-19-death-toll

 

Update to that story. 

Good news.  They were caught, and changed the claim.  But was that the ONLY one that was mislabeled in the past 10 months?

[laylalex 7,284]

2 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Good news.  They were caught, and changed the claim.  But was that the ONLY one that was mislabeled in the past 10 months?

I genuinely don't know -- but you mentioned the motorcycle one, and I remembered looking it up myself a while back. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, laylalex said:

I genuinely don't know -- but you mentioned the motorcycle one, and I remembered looking it up myself a while back. 

Yeah, I remembered it because it was so close to me.

 

But along the lines of improper coding of deaths, it's not just this one case that mattered.  Read the first few lines of this article from that time frame:

 

https://ktrh.iheart.com/featured/michael-berry/content/2020-07-17-report-florida-man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-listed-as-covid-19-death/

 

That second bold line was discussed in the other thread about Florida covid.  A certain pair of posters who shall remain nameless were arguing about the excessive number of positive FL covid tests.  Turns out there weren't really all that many after all.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

11 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Yeah, I remembered it because it was so close to me.

 

But along the lines of improper coding of deaths, it's not just this one case that mattered.  Read the first few lines of this article from that time frame:

 

https://ktrh.iheart.com/featured/michael-berry/content/2020-07-17-report-florida-man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-listed-as-covid-19-death/

 

That second bold line was discussed in the other thread about Florida covid.  A certain pair of posters who shall remain nameless were arguing about the excessive number of positive FL covid tests.  Turns out there weren't really all that many after all.

To me the logical conclusion is the system itself is part of the problem if it encourages falsely attributing deaths to the kung flu. 

 

Although, we don't know how each country derives its own data, and some of them we know are highly likely fudging their numbers to look better (i.e. China).

[Boiler 45,399]

To get a meaningful number you need to account for those who have died due to the lockdown cancer patients etc 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

30 minutes ago, Boiler said:

There is no mention in the story you linked to that states what they count.

 

And as it seems many reporting agencies have different definitions it seems practically impossible for this to be the case.

 

    I'm overly familiar with the criteria at this point.

 

   If Covid causes symptoms that lead to death and is confirmed by testing, it will be listed as a cause of death, along with whatever else (ie. respiratory failure, cardiac arrest etc) caused the death.

 

  If Covid is suspected but not confirmed it is listed as a probable cause.

 

  If someone is Covid positive with minor symptoms and dies in a car accident, Covid is not listed as a cause of death.

[Boiler 45,399]

4 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    I'm overly familiar with the criteria at this point.

 

   If Covid causes symptoms that lead to death and is confirmed by testing, it will be listed as a cause of death, along with whatever else (ie. respiratory failure, cardiac arrest etc) caused the death.

 

  If Covid is suspected but not confirmed it is listed as a probable cause.

 

  If someone is Covid positive with minor symptoms and dies in a car accident, Covid is not listed as a cause of death.

Well that is somewhat different to your earlier statement.

 

So which ones are they counting, are they including the probably elements.

 

Now assuming all entities in the US follow the above obviously there is a degree of subjectivity between all 3 categories.

 

And you would have to go back through all the previous numbers to update them to current definitions.

 

Plus of course other countries do not follow this format, Belgium and Italy come to mind.

 

Let is take the simple situation, all deaths mentioned fall into:    If Covid causes symptoms that lead to death and is confirmed by testing, it will be listed as a cause of death, along with whatever else (ie. respiratory failure, cardiac arrest etc) caused the death.

 

I am sure we all know people who seem to have multiple medical issues and seem to be on a concoction of drugs etc. And they are most at risk, I can think of a friends parents, so they pass and test positive for Covid and are counted as a Covid death, they probably did not have much longer anyway being realistic and this may or may not have hastened the inevitable. Bit different to the much more unusual healthy person who gets it and drops dead.

 

We have flu season coming up and this also acts as a cull, usually yet again amongst those with medical issues. If they have the Flu and Covid, they are now a Covid death.

 

Without good data it is impossible to make good decisions. I am pretty sure current actions will be shown to not be the right call.

 

 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

53 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Well that is somewhat different to your earlier statement.

 

So which ones are they counting, are they including the probably elements.

 

Now assuming all entities in the US follow the above obviously there is a degree of subjectivity between all 3 categories.

 

And you would have to go back through all the previous numbers to update them to current definitions.

 

Plus of course other countries do not follow this format, Belgium and Italy come to mind.

 

Let is take the simple situation, all deaths mentioned fall into:    If Covid causes symptoms that lead to death and is confirmed by testing, it will be listed as a cause of death, along with whatever else (ie. respiratory failure, cardiac arrest etc) caused the death.

 

I am sure we all know people who seem to have multiple medical issues and seem to be on a concoction of drugs etc. And they are most at risk, I can think of a friends parents, so they pass and test positive for Covid and are counted as a Covid death, they probably did not have much longer anyway being realistic and this may or may not have hastened the inevitable. Bit different to the much more unusual healthy person who gets it and drops dead.

 

We have flu season coming up and this also acts as a cull, usually yet again amongst those with medical issues. If they have the Flu and Covid, they are now a Covid death.

 

Without good data it is impossible to make good decisions. I am pretty sure current actions will be shown to not be the right call.

 

 

 

   There is a misconception here maybe that only one cause of death is listed. My earlier statement was short but to the point. If Covid causes medical issues that lead to someones death it will be listed as such. So if someone has Flu and Covid and dies of respiratory failure, all three of those things will be listed as cause of death.