All things Corona Virus

[yuna628 9,646]

Interesting discussion today about a report that highlights a patient in Hong Kong that was sick with COVID once, and then 4 months later was reinfected. Scientists claim this was a true reinfection because they sequenced samples on both occasions - and they were different strains. This could have important implications on how effective a vaccine could be or our general waning immunity to the disease once infected and recovered. https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/24/first-covid-19-reinfection-documented-in-hong-kong-researchers-say/

[laylalex 7,282]

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

So a big question, if this was restricted to the mandated 50 persons, would this have definitely not occurred?

That's not really the point of it. The number is, in my opinion, artificial. There isn't a categorically "safe" number that fits every occasion and every set of guests. People are having normalish sized weddings because they feel like it, not because they have to. We all need to sacrifice a little for the greater good right now. I was planning on having 125-150 guests, reception at a loft space downtown. Now I have 5 guests, plus us and the officiant in my parents' backyard. We're having cupcakes and champagne. We will social distance and wear masks when we're close to each other. It's not what I dreamed of at all, but it does the job, and safely. The big blowout will be in 2021 or 2022. I'm not so very vain I care more about a party than the people I love.

[Boiler 44,855]

Interesting, so when you eat with your friends you are basically on different tables, I am meeting a couple of friends for a beer and we have to be masked to the table but not at the table.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

10 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Interesting, so when you eat with your friends you are basically on different tables, I am meeting a couple of friends for a beer and we have to be masked to the table but not at the table.

Down here, it's mask to enter or walk around (say to the restroom), but no mask required while seated.  

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Good news (wonder how long it will last?):

 

CDC drops 14-day self-quarantine recommendation for out-of-state, international travelers

 

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-drops-14-day-recommended-quarantine-travelers

[Boiler 44,855]

3 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Down here, it's mask to enter or walk around (say to the restroom), but no mask required while seated.  

Brewery requires mask to go to the toilet.

[Dashinka 24,109]

26 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Brewery requires mask to go to the toilet.

When we were in Estes Park that is how it was as well.  If you are standing, the mask must be on.

[Ban Hammer 13,109]

44 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Interesting, so when you eat with your friends you are basically on different tables, I am meeting a couple of friends for a beer and we have to be masked to the table but not at the table.

that sounds very uncomfortable.

[Dashinka 24,109]

2 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Interesting discussion today about a report that highlights a patient in Hong Kong that was sick with COVID once, and then 4 months later was reinfected. Scientists claim this was a true reinfection because they sequenced samples on both occasions - and they were different strains. This could have important implications on how effective a vaccine could be or our general waning immunity to the disease once infected and recovered. https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/24/first-covid-19-reinfection-documented-in-hong-kong-researchers-say/

Umm, isn't that kind of common sense?  I mean we already know this about the flu virus and how it changes annually, and we certainly already know that there are multiple corona viruses out there, and even this latest one has appeared to mutate recently as already posted.  Now whether a vaccine can be broad enough to cover all possibilities, then I think we will get into an annual thing.

 

1 hour ago, laylalex said:

That's not really the point of it. The number is, in my opinion, artificial. There isn't a categorically "safe" number that fits every occasion and every set of guests. People are having normalish sized weddings because they feel like it, not because they have to. We all need to sacrifice a little for the greater good right now. I was planning on having 125-150 guests, reception at a loft space downtown. Now I have 5 guests, plus us and the officiant in my parents' backyard. We're having cupcakes and champagne. We will social distance and wear masks when we're close to each other. It's not what I dreamed of at all, but it does the job, and safely. The big blowout will be in 2021 or 2022. I'm not so very vain I care more about a party than the people I love.

 It all depends on one's risk decision.  There seems to still be a feeling that this virus can be contained or controlled.  Still not seeing evidence of that.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, laylalex said:

That's not really the point of it. The number is, in my opinion, artificial. There isn't a categorically "safe" number that fits every occasion and every set of guests. People are having normalish sized weddings because they feel like it, not because they have to. We all need to sacrifice a little for the greater good right now. I was planning on having 125-150 guests, reception at a loft space downtown. Now I have 5 guests, plus us and the officiant in my parents' backyard. We're having cupcakes and champagne. We will social distance and wear masks when we're close to each other. It's not what I dreamed of at all, but it does the job, and safely. The big blowout will be in 2021 or 2022. I'm not so very vain I care more about a party than the people I love.

It's ALL artificial.  

 

The six foot thing... complete bunk.  To understand why, watch someone who is vaping exhale, and see how far their cloud travels.  

The number in a crowd... silly.  One covid carrier in 6 people will infect more than zero covid carriers in a 150 crowd.  What makes even less sense is people who feel sick going out in public these days.  Absolutely stupid on their part.

The requirement to wear a mask if one steps off their property... Completely asinine if no one is around. 

I won't even get into the whole "masks make a difference" argument.

[yuna628 9,646]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

Umm, isn't that kind of common sense?  I mean we already know this about the flu virus and how it changes annually, and we certainly already know that there are multiple corona viruses out there, and even this latest one has appeared to mutate recently as already posted.  Now whether a vaccine can be broad enough to cover all possibilities, then I think we will get into an annual thing.

 

 It all depends on one's risk decision.  There seems to still be a feeling that this virus can be contained or controlled.  Still not seeing evidence of that.

I think there were some who wondered if they had survived infection, if they could be reinfected as a possibility. This seems to prove it. Its also interesting that he was a host to two different strains, and I believe his second infection was mild to asymptomatic. I guess the question is he only made it through a 4 month gap to be reinfected, so how well will a vaccination work? The theory was one vaccine would work for all strains, but that may also call it into question. There were some who may have put out there erroneously, that once you got it, you could not get it again.

Edited August 24, 2020 by yuna628

[Dashinka 24,109]

2 hours ago, yuna628 said:

I think there were some who wondered if they had survived infection, if they could be reinfected as a possibility. This seems to prove it. Its also interesting that he was a host to two different strains, and I believe his second infection was mild to asymptomatic. I guess the question is he only made it through a 4 month gap to be reinfected, so how well will a vaccination work? The theory was one vaccine would work for all strains, but that may also call it into question. There were some who may have put out there erroneously, that once you got it, you could not get it again.

It would be interesting to do a study of those that have been exposed to other versions of corona viruses such as some of the milder ones that essentially cause a cold, or SARS or MERS as to how they fared if they were also exposed to Covid19.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

It would be interesting to do a study of those that have been exposed to other versions of corona viruses such as some of the milder ones that essentially cause a cold, or SARS or MERS as to how they fared if they were also exposed to Covid19.

 

  It's been done for one of the cold strains of Coronavirus. I have a link somewhere I'll see if I can dig it up. IIRC, about 15% of people have no measurable antibody left at 1 year and were more susceptible to reinfection, with most experiencing milder symptoms. At one year, I think the issue was more with antibody titre's falling than it was with viral mutation.

[TBoneTX 44,669]

9 hours ago, yuna628 said:

a patient in Hong Kong that was sick with COVID once, and then 4 months later was reinfected

Mrs. T-B. has a friend who got it twice.

Friend weighs about 4,917 tons.

Don't know if the two are related.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,366]

46 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

Mrs. T-B. has a friend who got it twice.

Friend weighs about 4,917 tons.

Don't know if the two are related.

yes I dont think a person getting it 2 times is new. We had a local guy on the news last month who got it twice.