All things Corona Virus

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

27 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

A group of people taking advantage of a pandemic for political reasons.

Now you know good and well what i said and what i meant and what my point was. I never called the Corona  Virus a scam. I said "scam fake positives".  Scam fake positives would be exactly what you defined as part of a scamdemic. 

 

There has been post after post about inflated fake positives, people being told they were positive that never tested , increase in  cases is just due to increased testing.  I have said repeatedly deaths are a lagging indicator .

 

My point was. There may be a few some statistical errors in the data, just like any massive data dump if you look you can find some errors. Overall the number of cases is growing like wildfire in several states and the jump in deaths is a result. You wouldn't expect to see a jump in deaths if theree really wasnt a jump in cases would you?

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

3 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

 

 

 

 

1.68%

 

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/23/floridas-hospital-bed-availability-over-21-surge-cases/

 

What's the bad news again?

 

In a normal world, this is good news.

I am not sure in which world you live in, but in mine 173 dead people is not good news. death rate going down is a good sign, but if we did not have it spreading like wildfire due to poor decision making the number of dead would be much lower

 

I believe even Trump said he encouraged social distancing and mask wearing 

Edited July 23, 2020 by Nature Boy 2.0

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

12 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I am not sure in which world you live in, but in mine 173 dead people is not good news

When the US is staring at a (falling) 3.6% rate (wasn't it over 4% a week or two ago?), 1.6% is good news. 

 

I also put it in further perspective showing how the ICU's are still doing fine. So, perhaps you can elaborate as to how such a falling rate and good signs are actually bad news.

 

Lets not get caught up in the media driven scaremongering. You know exactly why they're doing it.

Edited July 23, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

27 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

 

There has been post after post about inflated fake positives, people being told they were positive that never tested , increase in  cases is just due to increased testing.  I have said repeatedly deaths are a lagging indicator .

 

Are you saying that there hasnt been an increase recently in false positives from people who have never been tested?

[yuna628 9,676]

Just now, Voice of Reason said:

Are you saying that there hasnt been an increase recently in false positives from people who have never been tested?

With the exception of a few reports I have yet to see any mass 'false positives' in persons that have never had a test. But it is understandable how a simple mixup could happen, especially if you spend enough time dealing with the major testing companies that are scrambling to churn out these tests under enormous pressure and backlog. 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

9 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Are you saying that there hasnt been an increase recently in false positives from people who have never been tested?

Yes. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

18 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Yes. 

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5445139002

 

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The Lee Health hospital system is reporting that its laboratory testing of potential COVID-19 cases has shown an overall positivity rate of about 18%, despite the state report showing that all people coming in for testing at some of its labs have the novel coronavirus. 
 

 

That's just one lab in FL.  18% positive, yet the state report says 100% positive.

 

And several labs across the state are reporting 100% positive cases,  as I posted a week or so ago.  

 

So you think that several labs with 100% positive cases is accurate?  Seems like a statistical impossibility to me.

 

As for the people who are testing positive who never got tested, I only know of approximately 20 cases in the past week from people I know and trust.  Perhaps it's not newsworthy yet, but I assure you it IS happening here in my local area.  If I know of 20 instances, then it stands to reason there are many more.

 

The majority of cases I'm hearing of (actual false positives)come from a Palm Beach sheriff and a local cruise line agent who has to deal with people's test results.

Edited July 23, 2020 by Voice of Reason

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

32 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

With the exception of a few reports I have yet to see any mass 'false positives' in persons that have never had a test. But it is understandable how a simple mixup could happen, especially if you spend enough time dealing with the major testing companies that are scrambling to churn out these tests under enormous pressure and backlog. 

Local news did a story on this. People are not being reported as positive that were never tested

[yuna628 9,676]

Here's some legit examples and further evidence of a chaotic collection method in many states that are overwhelmed:

 

https://www.mysuncoast.com/2020/07/19/concerns-arise-some-receive-positive-covid-results-never-got-tested/

https://www.wsmv.com/news/mt-juliet-man-says-even-with-no-test-he-s-informed-he-is-covid-19/article_f8cf60e6-c886-11ea-8ae0-4ffb48dc9a46.html

 

However: 

https://www.krem.com/article/news/verify/kootenai-health-covid19-false-positive-rumors-not-true/293-4fbc450b-c16e-4982-85a1-8d31a26ba90a

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-covid-positive-test-hoax-20200713-xk3aueospjef7dffzazn4zm5ky-story.html

 

And:

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2020/07/17/covid-19-no-positive-test-uncounted-millions-still-had-symptoms/5407855002/

 

 

[yuna628 9,676]

Just now, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Local news did a story on this. People are not being reported as positive that were never tested

Yeah, if you're getting a call from someone saying it and you know you didn't have a test. HANG UP THE PHONE. It's a scam. Very rare chance of a screwup but I did give a couple examples.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

16 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5445139002

 

 

That's just one lab in FL.  18% positive, yet the state report says 100% positive.

 

And several labs across the state are reporting 100% positive cases,  as I posted a week or so ago.  

 

So you think that several labs with 100% positive cases is accurate?  Seems like a statistical impossibility to me.

 

As for the people who are testing positive who never got tested, I only know of approximately 20 cases in the past week from people I know and trust.  Perhaps it's not newsworthy yet, but I assure you it IS happening here in my local area.  If I know of 20 instances, then it stands to reason there are many more.

 

The majority of cases I'm hearing of (actual false positives)come from a Palm Beach sheriff and a local cruise line agent who has to deal with people's test results.

You didnt ask me had some labs reported incorrectly.... This is what you asked me 

 

VOR-"Are you saying that there hasnt been an increase recently in false positives from people who have never been tested?"

 

Yes I am unequivocally stating that here is not been an increase in the positives because of people never tested.

 

Which takes me back to when all this started and you launched a vicious personal attack against me 😀 j/k( I still love you just disagree with you on this"

 

I basically asked if the positive rates are a scam as some of you keep in implying, are the deaths a scam also?

 

I ask you and Burnt. If an increase in positives is not true and it's great news that the death rate is falling, how can there be more deaths?

 

Logic does not add up..  Increase in cases is because of false positives + Death rate is down does not = More deaths.

 

 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

15 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Yeah, if you're getting a call from someone saying it and you know you didn't have a test. HANG UP THE PHONE. It's a scam. Very rare chance of a screwup but I did give a couple examples.

Not saying it could never happen. Like in your case the contact tracers called the guys not the lab. The guy that was positive probably put him on the list and some 10 buck an hour newly hired clerk got it mixed up with the active list more than likely.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

20 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Here's some legit examples and further evidence of a chaotic collection method in many states that are overwhelmed:

 

https://www.mysuncoast.com/2020/07/19/concerns-arise-some-receive-positive-covid-results-never-got-tested/

https://www.wsmv.com/news/mt-juliet-man-says-even-with-no-test-he-s-informed-he-is-covid-19/article_f8cf60e6-c886-11ea-8ae0-4ffb48dc9a46.html

 

 

 

 

Just want to reiterate. Contact tracers do not relay results to the patient. Once again very shoddy reporting. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

I give up

Edited July 23, 2020 by Voice of Reason

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

You didnt ask me had some labs reported incorrectly.... This is what you asked me 

 

VOR-"Are you saying that there hasnt been an increase recently in false positives from people who have never been tested?"

Yes, and as I said above, my claims are anecdotal but from people I trust, such as law enforcement as well as a cruise line travel agent, as well as friends who are hearing the same stories.  This is NOT to say that the numbers in FL have been increasing ONLY because of false positives... that is obviously not the case.

 

Yes I am unequivocally stating that here is not been an increase in the positives because of people never tested.

You are stating it, but really have no way of knowing except your gut instinct.

 

Which takes me back to when all this started and you launched a vicious personal attack against me 😀 j/k( I still love you just disagree with you on this"

Uh huh.  

 

I basically asked if the positive rates are a scam as some of you keep in implying, are the deaths a scam also?

Never have I one time claimed that the deaths are a scam.  Perhaps you are mixing me up with your FB buddies?

Having said that, there IS evidence going back to the beginning that the death count is inaccurate.  Probably always WILL BE inaccurate, but as time goes on, we should be getting a better handle on it.  By way of an example - https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/florida-health-official-admits-man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-listed-as-coronavirus-death 
"An investigation, conducted by Fox 35 News, shows that positivity rates from coronavirus testing were much lower than the state’s health department reported." 

 

I ask you and Burnt. If an increase in positives is not true and it's great news that the death rate is falling, how can there be more deaths?

 

Logic does not add up..  Increase in cases is because of false positives + Death rate is down does not = More deaths.

Just because there are false positives, and just because the death rate fluctuates up or down (data changes daily, obviously) has nothing to do with people dying.  If the false positives were say 200% greater than the actual cases, then it would be difficult for the death rate to increase, right?  But what if the false positive (or otherwise misreported cases) were only 25% of the real cases?  It would inflate the numbers for the media hype, while actual deaths remained low, right?   

 

 

As I posted above... several labs in Florida have been reporting 100% positive cases on 100% of their tests.  You and I BOTH know that is not feasibly possible.  So those are FALSE POSITIVES, correct?  The actual percent positive as reported by the FL DOH

 

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429 

Should open on the first tab on the bottom, "Florida cases".  Lower right chart indicates daily deaths.  The "health metrics" tab will show the percent positive I have been referencing above.

 

 

But all of this started (again) when I posted an image that showed where the US falls in the lineup of other countries as regards number of cases and death rates.  Facts.  Stats.  And you replied with:

 

7 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I guess all those scam fake positives have lead to a bunch of fake deaths 

 

Coronavirus: Florida records highest one-day COVID-19 death toll

 

https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-coronavirus-deaths-july-23/33404536#

So let me ask you... why make such a post (about something I DID NOT say) in response to my data on various country's death rates?  
And pray tell, how can the link you posted be accurate, when it claims that shortly after noon on the 23rd, that Florida sets a one-day record with 173 cases, when the day is only about half over? 

By that logic, we should see what, 346 dead by midnight?  Let's see in a few days, eh?