All things Corona Virus

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

21 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

Because they weren't able to use the sense the good lord gave a goose?  

 

I wore the armor because it was a uniform requirement.  But run to a bunker when the sirens sounded?  I quit that after about two weeks in.  Didn't make sense.

Agreed... Actually being there long enough gave you the ability to determine if it is even close enough to warrant getting out of bed

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

Live updates: Coronavirus deaths on the rise in almost every region of the U.S.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/13/coronavirus-live-updates-us/

 

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Although testing has remained flat, 20 states and Puerto Rico reported a record-high average of new infections over the past week. Five states — Arizona, California, Florida, Mississippi and Texas — also broke records for average daily fatalities in that period. At least 3,290,000 cases and more than 132,000 deaths have been reported in the United States.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

3 hours ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Agreed... Actually being there long enough gave you the ability to determine if it is even close enough to warrant getting out of bed

Yeah, you just sort of get numb after a while.  Especially when logic dictates that you have just as much of a chance of getting hit where you're GOING, as opposed to where you ARE, or anywhere in between... it didn't make much sense to move.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

6 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Yeah, you just sort of get numb after a while.  Especially when logic dictates that you have just as much of a chance of getting hit where you're GOING, as opposed to where you ARE, or anywhere in between... it didn't make much sense to move.

You know what I do for a living so I am either going to get it here or my wife is going to drag it home from her very public job

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

VERIFY: Does wearing a face mask lower your O2 levels?

https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/verify/verify-face-masks-do-not-lower-oxygen-levels/283-007cdb1e-86eb-4257-91a4-13f5320ce1f9

[yuna628 9,677]

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

VERIFY: Does wearing a face mask lower your O2 levels?

https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/verify/verify-face-masks-do-not-lower-oxygen-levels/283-007cdb1e-86eb-4257-91a4-13f5320ce1f9

 Imagine a world where doctors and nurses just passed out on top of you dead from poisoning due to their mask....... I don't even know how the dentist survives! 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

4 hours ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Agreed... Actually being there long enough gave you the ability to determine if it is even close enough to warrant getting out of bed

I guess being Infantry, I did not know that  had such things as warning sirens, beds and what not.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

9 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I guess being Infantry, I did not know that  had such things as warning sirens, beds and what not.

Those were only at the big bases not the small ones. We didn't have alarms in Iraq. But in Kandahar we had them and you learn to largely ignore them unless the blast was close

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Some updated data from the CDC, as of 4 July.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

26 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

VERIFY: Does wearing a face mask lower your O2 levels?

https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/verify/verify-face-masks-do-not-lower-oxygen-levels/283-007cdb1e-86eb-4257-91a4-13f5320ce1f9

"For most healthy adults"

 

I don't get what the issue was here, it seems like common sense. But, I can also see a potential distortion, particularly if someone assumes "healthy" in this context is nearly everyone. That would be problematic. Obesity, diabetes, hypertension, chronic asthma, these things aren't healthy, yet they constitute what, at least 1/4 to 1/3 of Americans? There's likely a larger swath of people who shouldn't wear masks than we think. 

[yuna628 9,677]

5 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

"For most healthy adults"

 

I don't get what the issue was here, it seems like common sense. But, I can also see a potential distortion, particularly if someone assumes "healthy" in this context is nearly everyone. That would be problematic. Obesity, diabetes, hypertension, chronic asthma, these things aren't healthy, yet they constitute what, at least 1/4 to 1/3 of Americans? There's likely a larger swath of people who shouldn't wear masks than we think. 

None of these 'problems' will affect a person wearing a mask. I think the ALA has a good frame of it: https://www.lung.org/blog/covid-masks Now if you do have a bad lung condition an N95 may not be appropriate for you but does not prevent you from wearing other protective masks. Not that I think the general public should be wearing an N95 long term, especially in our summer heat. A regular homemade mask crafted with appropriate materials will do great. https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/does-wearing-face-mask-increase-co2-levels 

https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/news-press/news-detail?articleid=26712&publicId=395 Btw, I know someone with pretty bad asthma and allergy problems that regularly wore a mask, and that included N95s before the pandemic even existed. There is no good reason why someone cannot put a mask on their face.

Edited July 13, 2020 by yuna628

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

24 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

None of these 'problems' will affect a person wearing a mask. I think the ALA has a good frame of it: https://www.lung.org/blog/covid-masks Now if you do have a bad lung condition an N95 may not be appropriate for you but does not prevent you from wearing other protective masks. Not that I think the general public should be wearing an N95 long term, especially in our summer heat. A regular homemade mask crafted with appropriate materials will do great. https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/does-wearing-face-mask-increase-co2-levels 

https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/news-press/news-detail?articleid=26712&publicId=395 Btw, I know someone with pretty bad asthma and allergy problems that regularly wore a mask, and that included N95s before the pandemic even existed. There is no good reason why someone cannot put a mask on their face.

This is a lie. Hypertension results in lower oxygen saturation. People have to work harder to breathe. Asthma.. speaks for itself. It's a bad idea. My wife has chronic bouts of asthma and has trouble wearing them for long, she's also nearing full term pregnancy which makes it impossible for more than a few minutes. I have seasonal allergies and I haven't tried masks yet. Nonetheless, obesity itself tends to be paired with hypertension. Diabetes tends to be paired with hypertension. 

 

There is definitely very good reason, and far more reasons than the paranoid want to believe, why someone cannot put a mask on their face.

 

A healthy person is fine, with or without a mask. Funny thing is, one of the key reasons the virus itself is detrimental is the inflammation in the lungs which reduces oxygen saturation. There's little winning in this situation, but paranoia isn't "healthy".

Edited July 13, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[yuna628 9,677]

2 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

This is a lie. Hypertension results in lower oxygen saturation. People have to work harder to breathe. Asthma.. speaks for itself. It's a bad idea. My wife has chronic bouts of asthma and has trouble wearing them for long, she's also nearing full term pregnancy which makes it impossible for more than a few minutes. I have seasonal allergies and I haven't tried masks yet. Nonetheless, obesity itself tends to be paired with hypertension. Diabetes tends to be paired with hypertension. 

 

There is definitely very good reason, and far more reasons than the paranoid want to believe, why someone cannot put a mask on their face.

You can either accept what the doctors state and the medical evidence shows, or don't.

 

There is nothing wrong with a fat person with diabetes, hypertension, allergies, or asthma wearing a mask. And in fact those people being at high risk for COVID should be especially wearing them. Have questions, ask your doctor. But I hope the poor doctor won't pass out before he can answer such an important question. 😉

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

9 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

You can either accept what the doctors state and the medical evidence shows, or don't.

 

There is nothing wrong with a fat person with diabetes, hypertension, allergies, or asthma wearing a mask. And in fact those people being at high risk for COVID should be especially wearing them. Have questions, ask your doctor. But I hope the poor doctor won't pass out before he can answer such an important question. 😉

Medical evidence long pointed to what I said. There's a clear connection between hypertension and oxygen saturation, which really wasn't even needed in studies just understanding how breathing works and what hypertension is. You can either accept what the doctors state and the medical evidence shows, not to mention basic biology, or don't.

 

If a fat person with the aforementioned problems doesn't want to wear a mask, because they can't wear one for long, they shouldn't need to, and if someone tries to force them to wear one, should be held responsible for the results. Nonetheless, that individual is still responsible for protecting themselves and not being a vector of these diseases if they are knowingly infected. Rationality over paranoia and compliance authoritarianism.

Edited July 13, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

51 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Some updated data from the CDC, as of 4 July.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

A  few quick points.

 

 

1. One week does not a trend make

2. You said that was as of Jul 4, . so not only did they not have all the data in as it usually  lags a few days, especially with a holiday.

3. Back in April and part of May we were testing a much greater percentage of people who had symptoms. So naturally .....

4. The red line is the  total number of people who tested positive. Since the last reporting period was not complete and there were over 1 million fewer test in the sample pool, quite naturally the number number of people who tested positive  is going to be lower. 

 

Snip from website in your link

 

Nationally, levels of influenza-like illness (ILI) and COVID-19-like illness (CLI) activity continue to increase overall. The percentage of specimens testing positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, decreased slightly from last week; however, this past week included a holiday, which could impact both testing and reporting. Mortality attributed to COVID-19 decreased compared to last week and is currently at the epidemic threshold but will likely increase as additional death certificates are processed.