All things Corona Virus

[TBoneTX 45,329]

Or get the condensation for free.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

31 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

I had to wear one to give blood the other day. My glasses were so fogged I couldn't see.

 

Then had to put one on for a customer in 96 degree heat. It was miserable. 

[TBoneTX 45,329]

48 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

My glasses were so fogged I couldn't see.

You were making a spectacle of yourself.  Or a spectacle was being made of you.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

 

Looks like the lag is catching up

Texas' coronavirus hospitalizations hit new daily high as overall cases slip

 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/texas-coronavirus-hospitalizations-hit-new-daily-high-as-overall-cases-slip

 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

 

   Revisiting the possibility of airborne spread

 

   Hundreds of Scientists Call on WHO to Recognize Coronavirus Airborne Risk

 

     https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/07/scientists-call-who-recognize-coronavirus-airborne-risk.html

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

5 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Revisiting the possibility of airborne spread

 

   Hundreds of Scientists Call on WHO to Recognize Coronavirus Airborne Risk

 

     https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/07/scientists-call-who-recognize-coronavirus-airborne-risk.html

2020 has been a goat rope. If suspect them to start rebuilding the Temple on the mount any second 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

3 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

2020 has been a goat rope. If suspect them to start rebuilding the Temple on the mount any second 

 

  I agree. It's not the WHO or CDC saying this though. It's researchers who have been studying the transmission patterns. There has been a lot in the news lately about superspreaders too, events where it's not one person infecting two others and so on, but instead where a single person might spread it to 20 others at one time. I read that a few weeks ago and I was thinking it's only a matter of time before they start talking about airborne spread again.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  I agree. It's not the WHO or CDC saying this though. It's researchers who have been studying the transmission patterns. There has been a lot in the news lately about superspreaders too, events where it's not one person infecting two others and so on, but instead where a single person might spread it to 20 others at one time. I read that a few weeks ago and I was thinking it's only a matter of time before they start talking about airborne spread again.

Masks are useless.  Masks help.

It lasts for days on counters.  No, it lasts for hours, maybe minutes.

It can be spread by cans of corn.  No it cannot.

 

One thing is for certain, nothing is certain.  Except that many have died.  Hopefully we will get around to that herd immunity facet soon. I for one am ready for 2021.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

Masks are useless.  Masks help.

It lasts for days on counters.  No, it lasts for hours, maybe minutes.

It can be spread by cans of corn.  No it cannot.

 

One thing is for certain, nothing is certain.  Except that many have died.  Hopefully we will get around to that herd immunity facet soon. I for one am ready for 2021.

 

   Serology shows about 6%-8% of the population have antibodies, so herd immunity may be a while. The vaccine will probably be here first. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

52 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Serology shows about 6%-8% of the population have antibodies, so herd immunity may be a while. The vaccine will probably be here first. 

Don't despair, help is near...

 

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/potent-antibodies-found-people-recovered-covid-19

[Steeleballz 7,550]

5 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Don't despair, help is near...

 

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/potent-antibodies-found-people-recovered-covid-19

 

      Only one percent of people produce enough of these potent antibodies to neutralize the virus?

 

     Doesn't sound very helpful. 

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

[Dashinka 24,519]

Since this mostly deals with the Vid, this seemed like the best place to post it.

 

By Victor Davis Hanson • July 5, 2020

 

An Industry of Untruth
 

The current revolution is based on a series of lies, misrepresentations, and distortions, whose weight will soon sink it.

Viral confusion

Unfortunately few in authority have been more wrong, and yet more self-righteously wrong, than the esteemed Dr. Anthony Fauci. Given his long service as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and his stature during the AIDS crisis, he has rightly been held up by the media as the gold standard of coronavirus information. The media has constructed Fauci as a constant corrective of Trump’s supposed “lies” about the utility of travel bans, analogies with a bad flu year, and logical endorsement of hydroxychloroquine as a “what do you have to lose” possible therapy.

But the omnipresent Fauci himself unfortunately has now lost credibility. The reason is that he has offered authoritative advice about facts, which either were not known or could not have been known at the time of his declarations.

Since January, Fauci has variously advised the nation both that the coronavirus probably was unlikely to cause a major health crisis in the United States and later that it might yet kill 240,000 Americans. In January, he praised China for its transparent handling of the coronavirus epidemic, not much later he conceded that perhaps they’d done a poor job of that. He has cautioned that the virus both poses low risks and, later, high risks, for Americans. Wearing masks, Fauci warned, was both of little utility and yet, later, essential. Hydroxychloroquine, he huffed, had little utility; when studies showed that it did, he still has kept mostly silent.

At various times, he emphasized that social distancing and avoiding optional activities were mandatory, but earlier that blind dating and going on cruise ships were permissible. Fauci weighed in on the inadvisability of restarting businesses prematurely, but he has displayed less certainty about the millions of demonstrators and rioters in the streets for a month violating quarantines. The point is not that he is human like all of us, but that in each of these cases he asserted such contradictions with near-divine certainty—and further confused the public in extremis.

In terms of how the United States “fared,” it is simply untrue that Europe embraced superior social policies in containing the virus. The only somewhat reliable assessments of viral lethality are population numbers and deaths by COVID-19, although the latter is often in dispute.

 

 

 

By such rubrics, the United States, so far, has fared better than most of the major European countries—France, Italy, the United Kingdom, Spain, Sweden, and Belgium—in terms of deaths per million. Germany is the one major exception. But if blame is to be allotted to public officials for the United States having a higher fatality rate than Germany, then the cause is most likely governors of high-death, Eastern Seaboard states—New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Connecticut in particular. They either sent the infected into rest homes, or did not early on ensure that their mass transit systems were sanitized daily as well as practicing social distancing.

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, more than any other regional or national leader, is culpable for decisions that doomed thousands of elderly patients. He did not just suggest long-term-care facilities receive active COVID-19 patients, but ordered them to take them—knowing at the time that the disease in its lethal manifestations targeted the elderly, infirm, and bedridden.

https://amgreatness.com/2020/07/05/an-industry-of-untruth/

Edited July 7, 2020 by Dashinka

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

Florida hospital ICUs near Miami, Orlando and Tampa have hit capacity

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-07-07-20-intl/h_87c00c35e3131060db9295ea95f5afcc

[yuna628 9,677]

On 7/3/2020 at 8:49 PM, Steeleballz said:

 

 

   Looking at the study, 78.9% of the patients getting HCQ also got anti inflammatory steroids, but only 35.7% of patients in the non HCQ group got them. Steroids have shown to be extremely effective in treating severe cases of Covid-19. The median age of the HCQ group was also significantly younger (18 years younger to be precise). 

 

  It's a retrospective study, so just looking at treatment based data after the fact, but it's hard to see how the study can make any conclusions at all about HCQ. Did twice as many people die because they didn't get HCQ, or because they didn't get dexamethasone? Or did twice as many people die in the non HCQ group because they were much older as a group? 

 

  One thing for sure they were right about is that it's going to be difficult to extrapolate the findings.

 

  

Yeah I was wondering how a lot of the mainstream headlines were choosing to frame this article in such a misleading manner. Why would you give the non-HCQ group no steroids if the HCQ group got them? If it were me, it certainly looks like the dex might be the thing that was saving lives here..

 

MD still continues with a downward ICU trend, but still has a steady stream of new cases every day. Those that are going into the hospital very sick are under age 35. We'll see if this trend holds a few weeks after the most recent holiday. DE on the other hand hasn't been faring so well. Several states have put those residents under quarantine orders again. The beach people are nuts.

 

I kept my sister well away from everyone and quarantine for the allotted timeframe and she still shows no symptoms. Meanwhile the coworker has managed to infect at least 15 people - four of which are in the hospital and two are critical.

 

Testing is becoming a problem again with major labs so backlogged, there is in many cases no longer a rapid turnaround. I'm assuming that's due to the crush of new cases + the requirement for those having outpatient electives needing a test. Mom's oncologist wants her to have a procedure, and she is kicking up a fuss because Dad told her how horrible the test was.

 

Daycamps started at the college again. No one is happy about it and the directors think the higher-ups are crazy. The workers are only supposed to come in to support distance learning, but they're ordering them to handle support for this.. and that can be a pain because those kids are crazy as hell and intentionally hit the tech support buttons, rip cables out of walls, and break stuff.