All things Corona Virus

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

44 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Not protests?  As to the care facilities, the fact that they could not get PPE supplies is even more of a reason for criticizing the actions of some of the governors.

Fredo  moving positive  patients back into Nursing homes was insane. Trump gave him a ship with 1000 beds, plus of ton of other things he said were not enough, most of which went unused. The amount of ventilators was unbelievable, the most in the universe, it was really beautiful some did not even think him.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

speaking of rioters.  I had a coworker tell me yesterday that the reason the riots took place... Sit down for this. Because the police wanted black people to riot so it would make them look bad. He said that is why the police did not move against rioters. he said they should have immediately started arresting people.

 

This same guy would have screamed racism if the police had touched a rioter. Funny how the narrative is given and repeated.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

16 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

speaking of rioters.  I had a coworker tell me yesterday that the reason the riots took place... Sit down for this. Because the police wanted black people to riot so it would make them look bad. He said that is why the police did not move against rioters. he said they should have immediately started arresting people.

 

This same guy would have screamed racism if the police had touched a rioter. Funny how the narrative is given and repeated.

The most amazing part. When I told him they were told to stand down by liberal leadership. he said the police arrived at this decision by themselves because of the systematic racism in the police force. No wonder things are so crazy. I can promise you this narrative is straight from the NAACP influence in Church. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

And if you stand up against those who may root or loot, you stand to be prosecuted.

 

 

[laylalex 7,289]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

Not protests?  As to the care facilities, the fact that they could not get PPE supplies is even more of a reason for criticizing the actions of some of the governors.

 

45 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Beaches?  Highly unlikely, unless one is fondling complete strangers.  The sun, heat, and open air does not facilitate the livelihood of viruses. 

 

Restaurants?  Maybe, but unlikely.  I just ate out last night, and came nowhere near other patrons like I do in grocery stores or other necessary shopping venues.

Protests are necessary, so thereby immune to viral propagation.

News today disagrees with you guys: 

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/little-evidence-that-george-floyd-protests-spread-coronavirus-in-us

https://time.com/5861633/protests-coronavirus/

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-no-spike-cities-despite-protests-big-surge-in-states-that-reopened-20200627.html

 

Basically it's inconclusive right now but at the moment the data are pointing to people going back to bars and crowding into restaurants which are not enforcing social distancing. We will learn more over the weeks to come but it's been well over 2 weeks since the protests started. While they are still going on, they are much smaller. 

 

Echoing what yuna said about people on beaches -- out here I have purposely avoided going to the beach only a few blocks away from me because when I have walked past I see people acting like idiots. When I did go, I went to one miles away on a cloudy afternoon that wasn't crowded because it literally has a Chevron refinery on it! I wanted to have a beach walk and do it safely, where I didn't have to worry about someone being an idiot nearby me. Glad I did it -- it really helped my mood, and I appreciated how good everyone around me was being. That being said, now our beaches are closed for the weekend because we're in a spike. It sucks and I am preparing for the whole county to shut down again. When they reopened the bars, a half a million people visited one in the first weekend. That's nuts! 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, laylalex said:

 

News today disagrees with you guys: 

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/little-evidence-that-george-floyd-protests-spread-coronavirus-in-us

https://time.com/5861633/protests-coronavirus/

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-no-spike-cities-despite-protests-big-surge-in-states-that-reopened-20200627.html

 

Basically it's inconclusive right now but at the moment the data are pointing to people going back to bars and crowding into restaurants which are not enforcing social distancing. We will learn more over the weeks to come but it's been well over 2 weeks since the protests started. While they are still going on, they are much smaller. 

 

Echoing what yuna said about people on beaches -- out here I have purposely avoided going to the beach only a few blocks away from me because when I have walked past I see people acting like idiots. When I did go, I went to one miles away on a cloudy afternoon that wasn't crowded because it literally has a Chevron refinery on it! I wanted to have a beach walk and do it safely, where I didn't have to worry about someone being an idiot nearby me. Glad I did it -- it really helped my mood, and I appreciated how good everyone around me was being. That being said, now our beaches are closed for the weekend because we're in a spike. It sucks and I am preparing for the whole county to shut down again. When they reopened the bars, a half a million people visited one in the first weekend. That's nuts! 

Of course the news disagrees.  Because rioting, looting, and defunding the police were NECESSARY.  How does one determine if a person was looting but not going to the beach the next day, or vice versa?

 

Our beaches are uncrowded enough to safely enjoy them... IF one avoids the "popular hot spots".  If one decides to be an idiot and go where they are crowded, that's on them.

 

Pretty much all beaches are closing this weekend over the US I think.

[laylalex 7,289]

1 minute ago, Voice of Reason said:

Of course the news disagrees.  Because rioting, looting, and defunding the police were NECESSARY.  How does one determine if a person was looting but not going to the beach the next day, or vice versa?

The news is reporting on what scientists and those analyzing data are saying in observing this. You are making conjectures which is fine, but it doesn't make sense to leap to the opposite conclusion just because the reporting doesn't match what you seem to want the narrative to be. Right now, it looks like the protests had less of an effect on the spike than things like being inside close quarters that aren't well-ventilated (i.e. bars and restaurants) and where social distancing/mask wearing isn't enforced. You could not pay me to eat inside a restaurant right now, sorry, and I am a well-known lover of money and expensive restaurant meals.  Beaches aren't mentioned in any of the reporting.

 

All I know is that I do not want to be around people in general right now, and I am keeping my contacts to a minimum. That visit to Sephora was the riskiest thing I have done in 3+ months in my opinion, but I chose one that was in an outdoor mall, where mask compliance and social distancing was enforced. I will not be repeating it any time soon. Things are bad here right now and getting worse, and I do not want to catch this even if statistically I am unlikely to suffer from terrible symptoms. People who are supposedly low-risk and in my age group can and have gotten very, very sick, and recovery isn't always a simple bounceback. No thanks, I will pass. I have the luxury of not engaging in the world out there so there is no reason for me to do so.

[yuna628 9,677]

15 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Of course the news disagrees.  Because rioting, looting, and defunding the police were NECESSARY.  How does one determine if a person was looting but not going to the beach the next day, or vice versa?

 

Our beaches are uncrowded enough to safely enjoy them... IF one avoids the "popular hot spots".  If one decides to be an idiot and go where they are crowded, that's on them.

 

Pretty much all beaches are closing this weekend over the US I think.

There are no 'unpopular' or isolated spots around these parts man... You can go from each DE beach all the way to OCMD in one trip... and find it swarming. Road traffic jams and beach traffic jams. Nowhere even pleasant to sit. It's not even all locals either. We used to go during the 'off season/cold season' just to be left alone, but then they started realizing they'd still make money if they opened everything up then too. Then the party kids come in from all over the world during September and trash whatever's left of the place... to the point the bigger hotels started denying rooms to anyone under 25. We once went specifically during a *hurricane.. lol!* hoping to be rid of everyone.. nope. Bayside beaches are also that crowded, and they specifically cater to the party crowd.

Edited July 1, 2020 by yuna628

[Dashinka 24,519]

46 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

The most amazing part. When I told him they were told to stand down by liberal leadership. he said the police arrived at this decision by themselves because of the systematic racism in the police force. No wonder things are so crazy. I can promise you this narrative is straight from the NAACP influence in Church. 

I suppose this person supports the Democrat Party with their long history of supporting slavery, lynchings and segregation.

[Dashinka 24,519]

38 minutes ago, laylalex said:

 

News today disagrees with you guys: 

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/little-evidence-that-george-floyd-protests-spread-coronavirus-in-us

https://time.com/5861633/protests-coronavirus/

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-no-spike-cities-despite-protests-big-surge-in-states-that-reopened-20200627.html

 

Basically it's inconclusive right now but at the moment the data are pointing to people going back to bars and crowding into restaurants which are not enforcing social distancing. We will learn more over the weeks to come but it's been well over 2 weeks since the protests started. While they are still going on, they are much smaller. 

 

Echoing what yuna said about people on beaches -- out here I have purposely avoided going to the beach only a few blocks away from me because when I have walked past I see people acting like idiots. When I did go, I went to one miles away on a cloudy afternoon that wasn't crowded because it literally has a Chevron refinery on it! I wanted to have a beach walk and do it safely, where I didn't have to worry about someone being an idiot nearby me. Glad I did it -- it really helped my mood, and I appreciated how good everyone around me was being. That being said, now our beaches are closed for the weekend because we're in a spike. It sucks and I am preparing for the whole county to shut down again. When they reopened the bars, a half a million people visited one in the first weekend. That's nuts! 

Do you suppose that some of the same folks protesting may have been some of the same folks that went to bars?  Personally I think both actions lead to the increase with the young ones, but from what I am hearing, these folks are experiencing very mild symptoms.  My friends son (late 20s) caught the Vid a week or so ago, had a slight fever for a day and a half, a little cough, and some aches, etc., pretty much back to normal in a little more than a week.  He said it was different than a cold, but not any more severe.  This was pretty much the same I had back in December after my China trip when I had the Vid.

[Dashinka 24,519]

Thought this was interesting.  So the ICU beds are pretty full in the Houston area, but only 35% are due to the Vid.

 

The latest Texas Medical Center data shows 1,294 patients occupying ICU beds out of the total 1,330 base level of ICU beds. Four-hundred and sixty (460) of those patients have COVID-19, which is 35 percent. Ninety-seven (97) percent of those base level ICU beds are occupied.
 

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/we-do-not-have-a-crisis-of-beds-texas-medical-center-leaders-explain-reformatted-icu-bed-capacity-data/285-12446283-4afc-46be-b5ba-a401bfe5ff14

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

54 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Of course the news disagrees.  Because rioting, looting, and defunding the police were NECESSARY.  How does one determine if a person was looting but not going to the beach the next day, or vice versa?

 

Our beaches are uncrowded enough to safely enjoy them... IF one avoids the "popular hot spots".  If one decides to be an idiot and go where they are crowded, that's on them.

 

Pretty much all beaches are closing this weekend over the US I think.

And 1 reporter than that covered the Trump rally, tested postive with no proof where he caught it. Front page news .

 

Of course there is now way to track the rioters and corona virus,  but common sense tells you it had to be some infections 

[laylalex 7,289]

17 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Do you suppose that some of the same folks protesting may have been some of the same folks that went to bars?  Personally I think both actions lead to the increase with the young ones, but from what I am hearing, these folks are experiencing very mild symptoms.  My friends son (late 20s) caught the Vid a week or so ago, had a slight fever for a day and a half, a little cough, and some aches, etc., pretty much back to normal in a little more than a week.  He said it was different than a cold, but not any more severe.  This was pretty much the same I had back in December after my China trip when I had the Vid.

Yes, I do think it's very possible there is overlap. But I think we need to take a wait and see approach right now before we can say it's this, or it's that. We can't rule any scenario out. We do know that the uptick in cases is down to younger people though, that's all we know.

 

It's true that many but not all younger people -- even ones without underlying conditions -- are having milder symptoms. But we don't know a few things -- do milder symptoms mean there's going to be no later effects on the body? Post-COVID syndrome appears to be a thing. Also, younger people don't exist in a vacuum where they don't interact with other people who are at greater risk of developing worse symptoms. If they are asymptomatic or are not very unwell, they may not know they have the virus and may not get tested, or may just brush it off and go about their lives where they put others at risk. So we can't just think about these people as islands, or archipelagos of similar islands hanging out together -- they are mixing with others who can't brush it off.

 

I continue to believe we had it over Xmas -- we were very, very sick, and I was particularly bad, with effects that lasted almost a month -- but Alex says he thinks we had the flu. I don't know if I agree, but I don't think there's any point in almost-marital disagreement on the yes/no of it.

4 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

And 1 reporter than that covered the Trump rally, tested postive with no proof where he caught it. Front page news .

 

Of course there is now way to track the rioters and corona virus,  but common sense tells you it had to be some infections 

Sure! And I don't disagree, and neither do the articles.  

[yuna628 9,677]

Doctor at hospital was talking about how his son went with cousins and a group of college friends to party at the beach. One of the cousins ended up dying of COVID a few days later. Early 20s and no underlying conditions. Like I said.. maybe we are thinking about this disease and young people wrongly. Yes there are a group of people who are very high risk categories because of various areas the virus likes to attack to it's advantage. But there also seems to be another group of people of any age, including young and seemingly healthy that this virus can take out just as quickly. We don't know why. We will probably find out why eventually - perhaps some genetic thing.. but until we do and get a better handle on it anyone of any age is at risk of dying. How it destroys the body is insidious. 

 

My sister's coworker is also fairly young. She does not recall ever being that sick in her life, and likely should have gone to the hospital by the sound of it. I do wonder about lingering effects on the body later on. 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

I suppose this person supports the Democrat Party with their long history of supporting slavery, lynchings and segregation.

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