All things Corona Virus

[Dashinka 24,527]

5 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Good grief Charlie Brown. Nope

What about emergency room visits that lead to admittance?  I am sure that ERs don’t do a test and tell the person with a GSW to come back in two or three days.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,375]

1 minute ago, Dashinka said:

What about emergency room visits that lead to admittance?  I am sure that ERs don’t do a test and tell the person with a GSW to come back in two or three days.

Sorry I dont know what a GSW is ?

[Dashinka 24,527]

Just now, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Sorry I dont know what a GSW is ?

Gun shot wound.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

6 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Yeah, I thought it might be something like that as I could not find any sources backing up the claim I heard.  However, you did not answer my second question, what is the break even admittance rate for hospitals?

 

  I'm not really sure of that. There probably is a range, but I think it depends on the types of patients too. Hospitals that rely on elective surgeries or outpatient procedures are probably in the worst position. Hospitals that see less elective patients are less at risk for financial problems. I suspect all hospitals will be reducing staff at some point. It's always budget driven. Some have laid off staff now and others will do it later. Like everyone else in the world, I don't think any hospital has "broke even" over the last few months. 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,375]

Just now, Dashinka said:

Gun shot wound.

Steelz can probably answer your question, but I think he was talking mostly about elective surgeries and non emergency procedures. I can say with almost 100% certainty  that a hospital is not going to turn away an emergency 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

7 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

What about emergency room visits that lead to admittance?  I am sure that ERs don’t do a test and tell the person with a GSW to come back in two or three days.

 

   Anyone admitted with Covid-19 will be a Covid related hospitalization. They immediately go to isolation protocol and as far as I can tell, most hospitals are compartmentalized now, with an area for Covid positive patients, and then a separate area for non Covid patients.

 

  The admission will be based on symptoms though. People do test positive for Covid-19 in ER and are sent home if their symptoms are not severe enough to warrant being admitted.

 

   Emergency surgeries are done as needed. They use standard protective equipment. I'm not sure if they test for Covid or not in every case. We are able to do a limited number of STAT Covid tests, I think it's 8 per day and they get the results in about 90 minutes. If they can wait that long and the patient appears symptomatic they will do that, but some surgeries can't wait. 

Edited June 30, 2020 by Steeleballz

[yuna628 9,677]

20 hours ago, Dashinka said:

What about emergency room visits that lead to admittance?  I am sure that ERs don’t do a test and tell the person with a GSW to come back in two or three days.

So when my dad needed to go to the ER, he was immediately isolated from others because on the one hand, based on his symptoms he could have had COVID and on the other he was high risk. The test was not administered to him until he had been stabilized and placed in an isolated wing. When a person with a GSW comes into the ER they are focusing on saving that person's life and not nasal swabbing. Should they survive that might be an option later if there is a suspicion of symptoms. I recall some cases of people presenting to the ER having more unusual symptoms or seemingly unrelated that ended up testing positive because the doctor was suspicious.

 

Our friend that died had spent quite a while in the hospital, including the ICU. The test was administered to them regularly because they were high risk and again their original symptoms could have been COVID and they were required to have a negative test to be released into a new facility when they recovered. It was only until they were moved into the rehab facility and a few days was all it took to be exposed. They were rushed back to the ER, under doctor's order where a new and positive test was administered and immediate isolation protocols to the COVID-ICU unit followed.

 

[Dashinka 24,527]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

So when my dad needed to go to the ER, he was immediately isolated from others because on the one hand, based on his symptoms he could have had COVID and on the other he was high risk. The test was not administered to him until he had been stabilized and placed in an isolated wing. When a person with a GSW comes into the ER they are focusing on saving that person's life and not nasal swabbing. Should they survive that might be an option later if there is a suspicion of symptoms. I recall some cases of people presenting to the ER having more unusual symptoms or seemingly unrelated that ended up testing positive because the doctor was suspicious.

 

Our friend that died had spent quite a while in the hospital, including the ICU. The test was administered to them regularly because they were high risk and again their original symptoms could have been COVID and they were required to have a negative test to be released into a new facility when they recovered. It was only until they were moved into the rehab facility and a few days was all it took to be exposed. They were rushed back to the ER, under doctor's order where a new and positive test was administered and immediate isolation protocols to the COVID-ICU unit followed.

 

Yes, my cousin died from being exposed in a care facility.  This is why I am so adamant that these are the people that need the most protection, and it is irresponsible for governors to order these facilities to take in positive patients, workers should be screened and tested daily, and disinfection should be enhanced.  Considering over 40% of the deaths in the US are related to care facilities, this seems prudent especially now with this second wave hitting.

 

 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,375]

Another fake narrative bites the dust! 

 

But its probably just a scam to help get Trump out of office.😀 

 

Official U.S. coronavirus death toll is ‘a substantial undercount’ of actual tally, Yale study finds

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/01/official-us-coronavirus-death-toll-is-a-substantial-undercount-of-actual-tally-new-yale-study-finds.html

Edited July 1, 2020 by Nature Boy 2.0

[Dashinka 24,527]

7 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Another fake narrative bites the dust! 

 

But its probably just a scam to help get Trump out of office.😀 

 

Official U.S. coronavirus death toll is ‘a substantial undercount’ of actual tally, Yale study finds

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/01/official-us-coronavirus-death-toll-is-a-substantial-undercount-of-actual-tally-new-yale-study-finds.html

Why don’t they simply say everyone that has died in 2020 are deaths related to the Covid?

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,375]

Pandemic caused 18 pc rise in deaths in US: study

 

https://www.france24.com/en/20200701-pandemic-caused-18-pc-rise-in-deaths-in-us-study

[yuna628 9,677]

34 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Yes, my cousin died from being exposed in a care facility.  This is why I am so adamant that these are the people that need the most protection, and it is irresponsible for governors to order these facilities to take in positive patients, workers should be screened and tested daily, and disinfection should be enhanced.  Considering over 40% of the deaths in the US are related to care facilities, this seems prudent especially now with this second wave hitting.

 

 

I feel just as strongly as you do about these facilities, however in many of them there just was no supplies, PPE... nothing to protect the patients or the staff properly. Cleaning supplies in this state are still completely scarce on shelves, and it's not any better even in those needing them now for doctor's offices either. There is one facility in Baltimore and they never had a single patient become infected. https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/06/22/this-maryland-nursing-home-hasnt-had-a-single-positive-covid-19-case-since-the-pandemic-began/ So one has to wonder what did they get right? While I have seen one case of a large scale infection at a care home recently, the spikes we're seeing now are skewing younger and it's pretty obvious it's associated with bars, clubs, and restaurants, and beaches. Unfortunately that lobby is incredible and has put enormous pressure on states. 

[Dashinka 24,527]

23 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

I feel just as strongly as you do about these facilities, however in many of them there just was no supplies, PPE... nothing to protect the patients or the staff properly. Cleaning supplies in this state are still completely scarce on shelves, and it's not any better even in those needing them now for doctor's offices either. There is one facility in Baltimore and they never had a single patient become infected. https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/06/22/this-maryland-nursing-home-hasnt-had-a-single-positive-covid-19-case-since-the-pandemic-began/ So one has to wonder what did they get right? While I have seen one case of a large scale infection at a care home recently, the spikes we're seeing now are skewing younger and it's pretty obvious it's associated with bars, clubs, and restaurants, and beaches. Unfortunately that lobby is incredible and has put enormous pressure on states. 

Not protests?  As to the care facilities, the fact that they could not get PPE supplies is even more of a reason for criticizing the actions of some of the governors.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Beaches?  Highly unlikely, unless one is fondling complete strangers.  The sun, heat, and open air does not facilitate the livelihood of viruses. 

 

Restaurants?  Maybe, but unlikely.  I just ate out last night, and came nowhere near other patrons like I do in grocery stores or other necessary shopping venues.

31 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Not protests?  As to the care facilities, the fact that they could not get PPE supplies is even more of a reason for criticizing the actions of some of the governors.

Protests are necessary, so thereby immune to viral propagation.

[yuna628 9,677]

2 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Beaches?  Highly unlikely, unless one is fondling complete strangers.  The sun, heat, and open air does not facilitate the livelihood of viruses. 

 

Restaurants?  Maybe, but unlikely.  I just ate out last night, and came nowhere near other patrons like I do in grocery stores or other necessary shopping venues.

Protests are necessary, so thereby immune to viral propagation.

You've not seen the very crowded spaces we have around these parts. We like to pack 'em in and sit 'em on top of one another. There's a place we love to go to in old town - very old. Dining space is like a narrow hallway and everyone is crammed back to back and then the bar is also crammed up against the diners. Often no room for the wait staff to pass by. Noise level is often crushing.

 

I think of places like Cheesecake Factory or Shake Shack, or Texas Roadhouse that would do such a business most days the line would be outside the buildings. We'd often wait extra long to ask for a private booth because we couldn't stand other people breathing all over our food. Shake Shack would have so little room inside people would be standing on top of one another. The British pub we'd go to is so tiny inside they couldn't cope with a reduced capacity order (there's just nowhere to put anyone), so they have made everything 'to go'. They put a band outside and you can eat in your cars.

 

You've also not seen how crammed our beaches are. We have growing outbreaks in these places, even among the lifeguards and patrol units. They've now ordered the bars shut at the shore in DE, and masks will be mandatory on the beach. That doesn't matter much, they'll just come swarming to our shores where everyone is open and the party kids are getting sick. It'll also be the perfect opportunity for the knuckleheads out of PA to keep up the lawlessness and assaults on visitors. Can't wait for September when the rich kids with their Bugattis get in. It is NOT a good place to be down there right now. Things were rarely clean on a good day.

 

Certainly protesting while not wearing a mask is going to be a problem as well. Right now though, identifiable spikes here are coming from the beach towns with bars and restaurants.