All things Corona Virus

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

Alberta has shut down K-12 classes, post-secondary (university/college) classes, and all licensed daycare, now that we're starting to pile on new cases and now community spreading.

 

Thanks Trump!

[Sonotony 82]

12 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Alberta has shut down K-12 classes, post-secondary (university/college) classes, and all licensed daycare, now that we're starting to pile on new cases and now community spreading.

 

Thanks Trump!

What does this have to do with Trump?

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

4 minutes ago, Sonotony said:

What does this have to do with Trump?

Orange man bad.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

On 3/14/2020 at 5:17 PM, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I have spent time in the Philippines.  Who needs TP?

 

[Sonotony 82]

On 3/14/2020 at 2:36 PM, Dashinka said:

Isn’t this what Dr. Fauci has said, and wouldn’t that be better for our health resources rather than hammer them with an overwhelming amount of cases.  Kind of like ripping off the bandaid slowly, usually not advised, but in this case it may be the best course.

Actually, it has been proven that the bandaid taken off slowly is better than fast. This has been researched extensively by Dan Ariely. He writes about it in his book “Predictably Irrational”.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

2 hours ago, Sonotony said:

Actually, it has been proven that the bandaid taken off slowly is better than fast. This has been researched extensively by Dan Ariely. He writes about it in his book “Predictably Irrational”.

I like Ariely's books, mainly because of the psychology of marketing and its personal resonance for me, but the personal story he told on this was not proof of anything, and anecdotal stories are no substitute for more objective research, which actually contradicts Ariely substantially.

 

Also, for the thread:

[Sonotony 82]

On the contrary, Dan Ariely did significant peer-reviewed research on the psychological effects of pain trauma.  Acute, short-term pain has a worse psychological effect than lower pain over a longer period. This is not just an anecdote or “story”.  Yes, the impetus for the research was from his personal experience as a burn victim, where he disagreed with the procedure where they ripped of his bandages quickly and brutally, instead of slowly and gently, but that was just the beginning. Here is a link to one of his published papers on the subject. https://archive.vn/20121210125702/http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/4642/ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

Edited March 16, 2020 by Sonotony

[90DayFinancier 910]

if there is doubt:

Former CDC director: Covid-19 is different from flu and we must respond differently

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/health/coronavirus-covid-19-flu-comparison-frieden-analysis/index.html

By Dr. Tom Frieden

 

Updated 8:22 AM ET, Sat March 14, 2020

Dr. Tom Frieden is the former director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and former commissioner of the New York City Health Department. He is currently president and CEO of Resolve to Save Lives, a global non-profit initiative funded by Bloomberg Philanthropies, the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and part of the global non-profit Vital Strategies. 

(CNN)There are similarities and differences between Covid-19 and the flu, but we know much less about the novel coronavirus. As we look at what happened in China, and what's happening now in Italy, it's easy to adopt a fatalistic attitude that "there's nothing we can do, we're all going to get it anyway." This could not be further from the truth. Even if half of all people worldwide become infected with Covid-19 -- and we don't know if the infection rate will be nearly that high -- half will not. And of those who do get infected, there's a lot we can learn from flu to increase the likelihood of survival

 

 

Covid-19 is more infectious than flu. It appears a person who is infected with Covid-19 spreads it to more people than the flu, so it may spread farther and faster than flu.

 

Covid-19 is more likely to kill than flu. On average, about 1 in 1,000 people who get flu die from it -- mostly the elderly and people with underlying health conditions, but flu sometimes kills healthy young people and pregnant women. We don't know the precise case fatality ratio for Covid-19 because of incomplete testing of possible cases and insufficient information about outbreaks. But so far, Covid-19 appears much deadlier than seasonal flu, and quite possibly deadlier than the flu pandemics of 1957 and 1968, each of which killed more than 1 million people around the world. Those pandemics had estimated case fatality ratios far below 1% -- and Covid-19 may kill more than 1 in 100 people who get sick with it. This is not as high as the 1918 flu pandemic, which has been estimated to have killed 2.5 of 100 who it made sick, killing an estimated 675,000 Americans at a time when our population was one-third what it is today. As with the flu, older people and those with serious health conditions such as heart or lung disease, cancer or diabetes are at much higher risk.

 

 

[Dashinka 24,494]

1 hour ago, 90DayFinancier said:

if there is doubt:

Former CDC director: Covid-19 is different from flu and we must respond differently

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/health/coronavirus-covid-19-flu-comparison-frieden-analysis/index.html

By Dr. Tom Frieden

 

Updated 8:22 AM ET, Sat March 14, 2020

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr. Tom Frieden is the former director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and former commissioner of the New York City Health Department. He is currently president and CEO of Resolve to Save Lives, a global non-profit initiative funded by Bloomberg Philanthropies, the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and part of the global non-profit Vital Strategies. 

(CNN)There are similarities and differences between Covid-19 and the flu, but we know much less about the novel coronavirus. As we look at what happened in China, and what's happening now in Italy, it's easy to adopt a fatalistic attitude that "there's nothing we can do, we're all going to get it anyway." This could not be further from the truth. Even if half of all people worldwide become infected with Covid-19 -- and we don't know if the infection rate will be nearly that high -- half will not. And of those who do get infected, there's a lot we can learn from flu to increase the likelihood of survival

 

 

Covid-19 is more infectious than flu. It appears a person who is infected with Covid-19 spreads it to more people than the flu, so it may spread farther and faster than flu.

 

Covid-19 is more likely to kill than flu. On average, about 1 in 1,000 people who get flu die from it -- mostly the elderly and people with underlying health conditions, but flu sometimes kills healthy young people and pregnant women. We don't know the precise case fatality ratio for Covid-19 because of incomplete testing of possible cases and insufficient information about outbreaks. But so far, Covid-19 appears much deadlier than seasonal flu, and quite possibly deadlier than the flu pandemics of 1957 and 1968, each of which killed more than 1 million people around the world. Those pandemics had estimated case fatality ratios far below 1% -- and Covid-19 may kill more than 1 in 100 people who get sick with it. This is not as high as the 1918 flu pandemic, which has been estimated to have killed 2.5 of 100 who it made sick, killing an estimated 675,000 Americans at a time when our population was one-third what it is today. As with the flu, older people and those with serious health conditions such as heart or lung disease, cancer or diabetes are at much higher risk.

 

 

One thing I haven’t heard discussed, will this Covid19 outbreak potentially reverse the move to more urbanization.  As to the article, that is pretty much what all the medical folks at the top are saying, this Covid19 pandemic has too many unknowns at this point.

Edited March 16, 2020 by Dashinka

[Dashinka 24,494]

3 hours ago, Dashinka said:

One thing I haven’t heard discussed, will this Covid19 outbreak potentially reverse the move to more urbanization.  As to the article, that is pretty much what all the medical folks at the top are saying, this Covid19 pandemic has too many unknowns at this point.

Apologies, I actually stated this wrong, I meant to say could Covid19 trigger a move toward less urbanization via people wanting to stay further apart.  Now this is not possible everywhere in the world, it certainly is possible in several countries.

[90DayFinancier 910]

Go to Your Local Pub.' While Experts Call for Social Distancing, Rep. Devin Nunes Advises People to Leave Their Homes

 

https://time.com/5803470/devin-nunes-coronavirus-covid-19/

 

 

 

[yuna628 9,676]

4 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Apologies, I actually stated this wrong, I meant to say could Covid19 trigger a move toward less urbanization via people wanting to stay further apart.  Now this is not possible everywhere in the world, it certainly is possible in several countries.

I don't know about that... most of our vulnerable people in the city are trapped there. I greatly worry what would happen if this starts spreading through the projects, especially those that typically have elderly poor. Most of the cases in MD are actually in some rural and suburban areas, and the sick person has to be brought to a better medical facility in a more urban area. I am scared to think of what would happen if they appear in this county... our hospital can in no way handle that, just as they cannot handle any sort of trauma. I guess what I'm saying is it doesn't matter if you live next to each other or some distance... at some point the virus doesn't discriminate. 

 

At any rate the governor just ordered pretty much every business to close except for essentials, or if they offer takeout or delivery. A lot of vendors in our tiny town have been trying to find unique ways of staying open. but are struggling. Food stores are extremely low and so residents are going over the state line and cleaning out everything there too.

 

 

Edited March 16, 2020 by yuna628

[Steeleballz 7,550]

55 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Go to Your Local Pub.' While Experts Call for Social Distancing, Rep. Devin Nunes Advises People to Leave Their Homes

 

https://time.com/5803470/devin-nunes-coronavirus-covid-19/

 

 

 

 

    That is just a stupid thing to say. Hopefully people already know better than to listen to this guy.

[Dashinka 24,494]

9 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

I don't know about that... most of our vulnerable people in the city are trapped there. I greatly worry what would happen if this starts spreading through the projects, especially those that typically have elderly poor. Most of the cases in MD are actually in some rural and suburban areas, and the sick person has to be brought to a better medical facility in a more urban area. I am scared to think of what would happen if they appear in this county... our hospital can in no way handle that, just as they cannot handle any sort of trauma. I guess what I'm saying is it doesn't matter if you live next to each other or some distance... at some point the virus doesn't discriminate. 

 

At any rate the governor just ordered pretty much every business to close except for essentials, or if they offer takeout or delivery. A lot of vendors in our tiny town have been trying to find unique ways of staying open. but are struggling. Food stores are extremely low and so residents are going over the state line and cleaning out everything there too.

 

 

While I don’t for a minute think big cities will go away, I believe the trend lately was toward more urbanization, and I was curious if this virus episode would slow or reverse that trend.

 

On another note, do you think the EU will rethink Schengen?

[90DayFinancier 910]

8 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    That is just a stupid thing to say. Hopefully people already know better than to listen to this guy.

He is a hero to some here, but then do is Alex Jones.