AOS Returned - "Outdated" Form

[geowrian 22,338]

7 minutes ago, cbro20 said:

All of that makes sense, but how does USCIS, in all its competence, know which day a package would have been sent by a commercial carrier, if the receipt isn’t included by the applicant or carrier?

 

For example, UPS delivers a petition on the 24th. Ok, how does USCIS know that the date on the courier receipt is the 22nd? Isn’t the courier receipt simply what’s given to you when you drop off a parcel at Fed Ex or UPS?

 

Maybe I sound dumb, but I haven’t used an express courier in ages.

I had to go and check a package here myself to verify, but the date UPS shipped it is on the shipping label (on the outside of the box or envelope).

 

I have a set of various boxes, envelopes, etc. from different carriers here for comparison due to my current interactions with generating shipping labels (IT contractor for USPS).

Edited March 13, 2020 by geowrian

[cbro20 53]

1 minute ago, geowrian said:

I had to go and check a package here myself to verify, but the date UPS shipped it is on the shipping label (on the outside of the box or envelope).

 

I have a set of various boxes, envelopes, etc. from different carriers here for comparison due to my current interactions with generating shipping labels (IT contractor for USPS).

Makes sense. But still, isn’t the shipping label different than a courier receipt, as it’s phrased in the rule? It would require USCIS to put 2 and 2 together, in seeing that the shipping label indicates a particular date and therefore the courier receipt indicates a particular date. 
 

Just seems sketchy to me, which is why I went with USPS.

[geowrian 22,338]

12 minutes ago, cbro20 said:

Makes sense. But still, isn’t the shipping label different than a courier receipt, as it’s phrased in the rule? It would require USCIS to put 2 and 2 together, in seeing that the shipping label indicates a particular date and therefore the courier receipt indicates a particular date. 
 

Just seems sketchy to me, which is why I went with USPS.

It is. For instance, I can generate a shipping label for the future but order it today. I cannot back-date a label, though (set the shipment date to a date earlier than today).

With USPS specifically, I can actually mail it up to 3 days after that shipment label's date (I had to verify this was publicly disclosed before posting ). Although they do actually provide a postmark when they get it. I can't speak for UPS, FedEx, DHS, etc...no idea on their label policies.

 

But yeah, USCIS has no way to know what is on the receipt unless you show them. If they really wanted (or if their mail room has a tool to do so, which is 100% possible), they could scan the barcode and automatically lookup the date actually shipped. But I doubt they do any such verification.

 

My guess here is that either:

1) At least 1 wrong form edition was sent for a pre-24th filing, or

2) They overlooked it or just didn't care to look at the shipment date.

Edited March 13, 2020 by geowrian

[wbeem 568]

We had the exact same thing happen to us with our AOS.  We had to reprint the form (which, when we checked the copy we retained and the one they returned was the SAME updated form).  We also knew that even though we were right and someone messed up, it was quicker to return the dang thing and let them get on with it than waste time trying to argue with them.  

[SuperRoxy 1]

I found out I got rejected too today. They shipped my packet back with the letter saying I used outdated form. They send me the cut out from FEDEX package . And I guess they based on the day it was shipped and not the day you brought it to the courier. 
 

04/23/ - Sent my packet to Fedex office and shipped it thru express but It was Sunday , so it was shipped Monday

04/24. - Shipping date

04/25 - Received by USCIS and signed by J. Harper at 10:am

 

 

Its really stressful and devastating to know that you’re packet got returned. 😭

 

[fullerene 4]

2 hours ago, geowrian said:

It is. For instance, I can generate a shipping label for the future but order it today. I cannot back-date a label, though (set the shipment date to a date earlier than today).

With USPS specifically, I can actually mail it up to 3 days after that shipment label's date (I had to verify this was publicly disclosed before posting ). Although they do actually provide a postmark when they get it. I can't speak for UPS, FedEx, DHS, etc...no idea on their label policies.

 

But yeah, USCIS has no way to know what is on the receipt unless you show them. If they really wanted (or if their mail room has a tool to do so, which is 100% possible), they could scan the barcode and automatically lookup the date actually shipped. But I doubt they do any such verification.

 

My guess here is that either:

1) At least 1 wrong form edition was sent for a pre-24th filing, or

2) They overlooked it or just didn't care to look at the shipment date.

 

I guess #2 might have happened to my AOS because I included the receipt from Fedex and highlighted the date Fedex was in possession of it. They only looked at the shipping label and the day someone from USCIS received it. (Posted mine in the forum 

 

[ecuatorianos2018 41]

22 hours ago, cbro20 said:

When filing in February, USCIS published the following language: 

 

What to Know About Sending Us Your Form

The current edition of the Form I-485, dated 07/15/19 and 12/23/17:

• We will accept the 07/15/19 and 12/23/17 edition of this form if it is postmarked before Feb. 24, 2020
• We will not accept the 07/15/19 and 12/23/17 edition if it is postmarked on or after Feb. 24, 2020, except those submitted by aliens/petitions with a physical address in Illinois [see information for Illinois]
• DHS remains enjoined by a federal court from implementing the Inadmissibility on Public Charge Grounds Final Rule in Illinois. DHS has asked for a stay of this injunction from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, given the Supreme Court Decision to stay the last nationwide injunctions. For additional information, see our webpage on the status of the public charge rule in Illinois.

The updated edition of the form

On or after Feb. 24, 2020, we will accept only the edition date: 10/15/19 of the Form I-485, except those submitted by petitioners/aliens with a physical address in Illinois [see information for Illinois].

 

 

The plain and unambiguous language of this rule indicates that if form 07/15/19 was postmarked before February 24th, it will be accepted. Form dated 10/15/19 is only necessary now, if postmarked on or after February 24th.

 

If OP sent a postmarked version of 07/15/19 before the 24th, it should have been accepted. 

 

You're right. I did send the 07/15/19 form. I even doubled checked the website right before sending it just to make sure I was sending in the correct form.

The package was dropped off AND shipped on Feb 21st which is why I'm confused about the rejection. It was delivered the 25th which could be the explanation but it's all very confusing. 

[SuperRoxy 1]

Hi Everyone!! 
 

Can someone tell me if I can still use all the supporting documents that they returned to me even tho they marked it with numbers? 

[SuperRoxy 1]

Hello everyone! Who among you filed February, got rejected because of outdated form and refiled again? Thanks! 

[payxibka 10,047]

On 3/15/2020 at 2:38 PM, SuperRoxy said:

Hi Everyone!! 
 

Can someone tell me if I can still use all the supporting documents that they returned to me even tho they marked it with numbers? 

Yes

[kec523 256]

On 3/13/2020 at 1:19 PM, Vianca said:

They are referring to the actual forms. A lot of people are getting this mixed up with post dates and forgetting to had read the fine fine print before the public charge Went into place. It also stares the forms have to have a certain date on it. This dates reflect on the bottom of the print out. I have seen a lot of these , that everyone rushed to get in before the 24th with 2020 forms in turn is basically crossing out the post dated mark statement. 
 

one of my Clients I submitted the package on the 22nd and we now yesterday have heard back from USCIS with fees completed and issued already case numbers. 
 

Double double check your papers and dates of the forms, if correct most definitely fight it. If not most likely you’ll have to resubmit with the new publix charge ruling. 

Oh hayyyyyy thanks for wonderful advice! : )