Coronavirus latest: Intensive care units in Italy urged to STOP treating elderly

[TBoneTX 45,580]

One would think that, if this virus were truly Armageddon, the number of deaths would top the news each day.

Something like 39 in the U.S., with 26 at the one nursing home in Seattle.

Something's wrong with this picture.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

7 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

One would think that, if this virus were truly Armageddon, the number of deaths would top the news each day.

Something like 39 in the U.S., with 26 at the one nursing home in Seattle.

Something's wrong with this picture.

 

   I have seen estimates as high as 150 million people expected to contract this illness in the USA alone. No one knows for sure, but even using the most conservative estimates, that going to be a lot of deaths as this goes forward unless they come up with better preventative measures or treatments.  

 

   

[Dashinka 24,634]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   I have seen estimates as high as 150 million people expected to contract this illness in the USA alone. No one knows for sure, but even using the most conservative estimates, that going to be a lot of deaths as this goes forward unless they come up with better preventative measures or treatments.  

 

   

If 150 million were to contract it, wouldn’t that put it in a similar category as the flu?

[yuna628 9,687]

5 hours ago, Dashinka said:

If 150 million were to contract it, wouldn’t that put it in a similar category as the flu?

Not if 700,000 to 1 million+ die within this country as estimated by some scientists.

[90DayFinancier 910]

5 hours ago, Dashinka said:

If 150 million were to contract it, wouldn’t that put it in a similar category as the flu?

I just don't get this insistence on equation to the regular flu cycle. What is gained by ignoring the scientific evidence?   This is highly contagious and mortality rates are high.

 

The task now needs to turn to lowering the rate of transmission to increase the possibility that the health care system can handle the peak load.

 

 

 

 

[DELETEME1234 208]

41 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

What is gained by ignoring the scientific evidence?

To politicise it. God forbid one would have to admit the person in charge is failing and not acting in an adequate way. If the scientific evidence would point out that it was handled perfectly adequate and this administration is doing the scientifically most effective thing then the same people would gladly jump on that.  

 

The same thing can be witnessed in this subforum. Typically questionable media like Breitbart and Washington Examiner are posted and used because the MSM is 'fake media' etc. etc., yet the moment the MSM is publishing something favourable or that can be spun as something favourable then all objections for the MSM are swept aside and they're used as a way to legitimise one's political stance. An article from cbs about the markets bouncing back today comes to mind for example.

[Orangesapples 1,954]

21 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Well, the EU is approaching 18% of all active cases globally (not including Switzerland, or the UK).  Certainly a much bigger outbreak than here in the US at this point, and if memory serves, the EU did not ban travelers from China.  I do agree, the travel restrictions announced last night are probably much too late.

Testing in the US has been non existent. 

[NikLR 13,228]

1 minute ago, Orangesapples said:

Testing in the US has been non existent. 

Depends where you are. 

There's a drive up testing place here in Denver. You need a doctor's note.  ER will test you if you show symptoms.  Results take between 24-72 hours. 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

6 hours ago, Dashinka said:

If 150 million were to contract it, wouldn’t that put it in a similar category as the flu?

 

   The ~1.5 million deaths that they estimate (on the low end) with that total number of infected would make it exponentially worse worth that the flu. Fifty thousand deaths from flu is considered a bad flu season nowadays. Slowing it down to improve treatment outcomes or possibly get a vaccine ready is critical to getting this number down. 

 

  Some scientist say the 150 million number of infected people is too high. I'm not sure how they even come up with numbers. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

Testing in the US has been non existent. 

Not true.  Sure, it would have been nice if the CDC had been able to manufacture accurate test kits from the start, but it's too late to whine about that now.  Perhaps we can blame the PRESIDENT for the poor procedures used to make those kits, and the slow roll-out of good test kits?  Make all this HIS fault, so we won't have to make another failed impeachment attempt in a month or three?

 

There you have it, folks, our new goal is to pin this pandemic on the president of the US of A?  (Something that was predicted would happen right here on VJ be a few people back in January and February, BTW.)

 

Meanwhile...

 

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/08/u-s-response-to-the-covid-19-coronavirus-moves-from-containment-to-mitigation/

[Orangesapples 1,954]

8 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

One would think that, if this virus were truly Armageddon, the number of deaths would top the news each day.

Something like 39 in the U.S., with 26 at the one nursing home in Seattle.

Something's wrong with this picture.

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202003/12/WS5e6a15dfa31012821727e9d8.html

 

Rouda asked Redfield if it's possible that some flu patients may have been misdiagnosed and actually had coronavirus. He asked, "So we could have some people in the United States dying for what appears to be influenza when in fact it could be the coronavirus?"

Redfield replied that "some cases have actually been diagnosed that way in the United States today."

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

8 minutes ago, NikLR said:

Depends where you are. 

There's a drive up testing place here in Denver. You need a doctor's note.  ER will test you if you show symptoms.  Results take between 24-72 hours. 

Same in Canada. People who are exhibiting symptoms here need to be on hold for 3-6 hours calling 811, or are told to call it during "off peak hours" to get permission to see someone at a specific testing clinic for the Wuhan virus. They're told NOT to go to an ER, NOT to call 911, NOT to go to a public clinic, etc.

 

Meanwhile, spread is rapid regardless. And all you read about from deranged lefties is how awful Drumpf the big bad orange man is, naturally ignoring the fact that no one is actually containing this. Trump is basically as successful as anyone else. To even stand a chance of containing this before any real spread, Trump would've had to lock down the US grinding everything to a halt, which like now would've trainwrecked the economy, which the left are both celebrating and blaming Trump for anyways. 😂

 

Like all things, it'll pass, and the left will return to being miserable as the US succeeds, cementing what this is really about.

Edited March 13, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Orangesapples 1,954]

2 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Not true.  Sure, it would have been nice if the CDC had been able to manufacture accurate test kits from the start, but it's too late to whine about that now.  Perhaps we can blame the PRESIDENT for the poor procedures used to make those kits, and the slow roll-out of good test kits?  Make all this HIS fault, so we won't have to make another failed impeachment attempt in a month or three?

 

There you have it, folks, our new goal is to pin this pandemic on the president of the US of A?  (Something that was predicted would happen right here on VJ be a few people back in January and February, BTW.)

 

Meanwhile...

 

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/08/u-s-response-to-the-covid-19-coronavirus-moves-from-containment-to-mitigation/

The president is responsible for handling a crisis. 

 

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-democracy-south-korea-trump-testing-china-20200312.html

Which brings us to South Korea, a country of 51 million people, which is testing around 15,000 citizens each day, at clinics and drive-through stations. This is more than the entire number the United States has tested until now.

So why has Seoul’s democracy been able to do what the United States has not?

The answer is better national leadership, better advance planning, and speed.

[90DayFinancier 910]

2 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   The ~1.5 million deaths that they estimate (on the low end) with that total number of infected would make it exponentially worse worth that the flu. Fifty thousand deaths from flu is considered a bad flu season nowadays. Slowing it down to improve treatment outcomes or possibly get a vaccine ready is critical to getting this number down. 

 

  Some scientist say the 150 million number of infected people is too high. I'm not sure how they even come up with numbers. 

That would be half the nation. If you can 'bend the curve" and slow the rate of transmission by taking rapid action, you can save thousands.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   The ~1.5 million deaths that they estimate (on the low end) with that total number of infected would make it exponentially worse worth that the flu. Fifty thousand deaths from flu is considered a bad flu season nowadays. Slowing it down to improve treatment outcomes or possibly get a vaccine ready is critical to getting this number down. 

 

  Some scientist say the 150 million number of infected people is too high. I'm not sure how they even come up with numbers.

Computer models.

 

In February 2018, over 4,000 people were dying from H1N1/H3N2 flu strains every WEEK, just in the US.  959,000 people hospitalized, and 61,099 deaths in 5 months.