Refused Visa/Passport Question

[Deletemyaccount!! 0]

My husband went for his visa interview and was placed on AP. Later the status changed to refused. He followed the instructions the CO provided at the end of the interview and was required to submit additional documents. He has submitted them and the date that the case was last touched was updated...however the status still says refused. Does anyone have experience with being contacted to submit your passport for a visa after refusal? They never collected my husband's passport so how will they contact him for it? Will he be contacted thru email, telephone call, a ceac message? What should we expect? Thank you.

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[Lucky2Lucky 2,526]

Is this Nigeria? If so, immigrant visas are not being given at this time.

[Maria1989 403]

Refused means he won’t be getting a Visa 

[Deletemyaccount!! 0]

2 hours ago, Maria1989 said:

Refused means he won’t be getting a Visa 

No it doesn't. Refused can go to issued. It happens.

On 3/9/2020 at 7:31 AM, Luckycuds said:

Is this Nigeria? If so, immigrant visas are not being given at this time.

That's not true. After the ban occurred there were some waivers granted and there were visas issued.

[Maria1989 403]

They didn’t collect his passport, and after the documents were submitted it says refused and you think it’s going to now be issued ? I’m confused ? That’s a simple 1+1. Am I crazy here?

 

Sign 1, there is an issue.....after the interview you go to AP, they do not collect your passport, and ask for more documents

 

Sign 2, after documents are submitted, no contact to submit passport

 

Sign 3, your account updates to refused 

 

Why would they update to refused, if you aren’t refused/denied ? 

[Greenbaum 12,259]

On 3/15/2020 at 11:35 PM, Maria1989 said:

They didn’t collect his passport, and after the documents were submitted it says refused and you think it’s going to now be issued ? I’m confused ? That’s a simple 1+1. Am I crazy here?

 

Sign 1, there is an issue.....after the interview you go to AP, they do not collect your passport, and ask for more documents

 

Sign 2, after documents are submitted, no contact to submit passport

 

Sign 3, your account updates to refused 

 

Why would they update to refused, if you aren’t refused/denied ? 

Your not going crazy. You are just lacking a little more knowledge of what is taking place. Let me explain.

 

On March 3, 2020 the notification for AP changed to read "refused" but in reality, it's refused only from the standpoint that you are in AP and lacking some documentation. Your "refused" is that you is technically that you do not have a case that has been fully adjudicated and is missing documentation. Once you submit what is being asked for in the 221(g) (documentation request) they will finish the adjudication of the application. Once that is complete then they will render their decision. Normally, the decision is approved. If you see dates changing in CEAC this signifies that someone is "touching" the record to finish the adjudication part which then leads to "issue" when the visa is issued. Only when it says issue are you approved. Many are told at the interview that they are approved but that is just a pad answer to move you along. The whole idea is being a obscured as possible as not to provoke an argument. So if I am the CO and I tell you that you are approved you are happy and move on. No problem. This process is the same as the old, same as the new. Nothing to worry about.

 

Here is a link that talks about the new policy on refusal. 

https://redbus2us.com/us-visa-status-on-ceac-refused-for-221g-administrative-processing/

 

Some embassies would ask for the passport at the interview, but the embassy doesn't want to "house" the passport during this AP review stage. If they deny him then they have to deal with returning the passport. If they approve him, the send an email to him to send in the passport. This is not something that is new to the process. No concern on your part.

 

I hope this helps. 

[Maria1989 403]

17 minutes ago, Greenbaum said:

Your not going crazy. You are just lacking a little more knowledge of what is taking place. Let me explain.

 

On March 3, 2020 the notification for AP changed to read "refused" but in reality, it's refused only from the standpoint that you are in AP and lacking some documentation. Your "refused" is that you is technically that you do not have a case that has been fully adjudicated and is missing documentation. Once you submit what is being asked for in the 221(g) (documentation request) they will finish the adjudication of the application. Once that is complete then they will render their decision. Normally, the decision is approved. If you see dates changing in CEAC this signifies that someone is "touching" the record to finish the adjudication part which then leads to "issue" when the visa is issued. Only when it says issue are you approved. Many are told at the interview that they are approved but that is just a pad answer to move you along. The whole idea is being a obscured as possible as not to provoke an argument. So if I am the CO and I tell you that you are approved you are happy and move on. No problem. This process is the same as the old, same as the new. Nothing to worry about.

 

Here is a link that talks about the new policy on refusal. 

https://redbus2us.com/us-visa-status-on-ceac-refused-for-221g-administrative-processing/

 

Some embassies would ask for the passport at the interview, but the embassy doesn't want to "house" the passport during this AP review stage. If they deny him then they have to deal with returning the passport. If they approve him, the send an email to him to send in the passport. This is not something that is new to the process. No concern on your part.

 

I hope this helps. 

I understand but I believe the OP said it said changed to refused after he submitted the documents, and remains at refused. 
 

I do believe that is what she said, maybe I need to review. Thanks for the insight. 

[Greenbaum 12,259]

1 minute ago, Maria1989 said:

I understand but I believe the OP said it said changed to refused after he submitted the documents, and remains at refused. 
 

I do believe that is what she said, maybe I need to review. Thanks for the insight. 

It's not going to change from "refused" until such time as the visa is set to "issued" or you receive a email stating that your visa has been refused and it's being returned to either NVC or USCIS. If you receive the email, then that's the case that it really is REFUSED.

[Maria1989 403]

4 minutes ago, Greenbaum said:

It's not going to change from "refused" until such time as the visa is set to "issued" or you receive a email stating that your visa has been refused and it's being returned to either NVC or USCIS. If you receive the email, then that's the case that it really is REFUSED.

Ok Got it !!! Thanks 

[Greenbaum 12,259]

2 minutes ago, Maria1989 said:

Ok Got it !!! Thanks 

The email will read as a denial not refused the AP remains refused. Sorry for that small error.