CoVID-19 ~ Man Made in Wuhan, China

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Interesting that this link doesn't show up on a google search.

 

http://www.freedom4us.us/2020/02/12/corona-virus-man-made-in-wuhan-china/

[Boiler 46,117]

My assumption is that this was not some natural phenomenon and that we will probably never know, well be told what actually happened.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, Boiler said:

My assumption is that this was not some natural phenomenon and that we will probably never know, well be told what actually happened.

We are of one mind and one accord.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

Interesting that this link doesn't show up on a google search.

 

http://www.freedom4us.us/2020/02/12/corona-virus-man-made-in-wuhan-china/

 

 

   Not interesting. Google filters spam.

 

  The virus' genetic sequence has been studied by labs in at least 7 different countries as far as I can find. There is absolutely no way it is man made. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

 

   Not interesting. Google filters spam.

 

  The virus' genetic sequence has been studied by labs in at least 7 different countries as far as I can find. There is absolutely no way it is man made. 

Google also filters certain topics and political slants.  They are quickly becoming about as reliable as snopes IMO.

How can you say with such certainty that it's not man made?  There is a military bio lab in Wuhan.  What do you think they do in that lab?  

[Steeleballz 7,550]

16 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Google also filters certain topics and political slants.  They are quickly becoming about as reliable as snopes IMO.

How can you say with such certainty that it's not man made?  There is a military bio lab in Wuhan.  What do you think they do in that lab?  

 

 

   I can't say for certain. The national laboratories of 7 countries could be incompetent or covering up something. Other than that, it is not that complicated to detect changes in a genetically engineered strain of virus compared to the wild strain. 

 

  The author of the article does not appear to have even a passing knowledge of virology, nor any credible sources for where this alleged information was obtained. I think we can do better than posting rubbish from websites like this. 

Edited March 7, 2020 by Steeleballz

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

 

   I can't say for certaint. The national laboratories of 7 countries could be incompetent or covering up something. Other than that, it is not that complicated to detect changes in a genetically engineered strain of virus compared to the wild strain. 

 

  The author of the article does not appear to have even a passing knowledge of virology, nor any credible sources for where this alleged information was obtained. I think we can do better than posting rubbish from websites like this. 

I only posted one.  There were several others.  

 

I know nothing about genetic engineering, but so far, I cannot find ANY Covid-19 genome links that indicate one way or another whether it was man made or natural.  Then again, my lack of knowledge of some of the words used may be enough to cause me to miss it.  I am still reading.  

Call me a doubter, but I find it well within a reasonable doubt that the Chinese were experimenting with it and either it leaked or they let it out on purpose.  Our own government does it too.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

At least Inovio is on the ball with a vaccine.

 

http://ir.inovio.com/news-and-media/news/press-release-details/2020/Inovio-Accelerates-Timeline-for-COVID-19-DNA-Vaccine-INO-4800/default.aspx

[Steeleballz 7,550]

9 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

I only posted one.  There were several others.  

 

I know nothing about genetic engineering, but so far, I cannot find ANY Covid-19 genome links that indicate one way or another whether it was man made or natural.  Then again, my lack of knowledge of some of the words used may be enough to cause me to miss it.  I am still reading.  

Call me a doubter, but I find it well within a reasonable doubt that the Chinese were experimenting with it and either it leaked or they let it out on purpose.  Our own government does it too.

 

  There is no such thing as a "man made" virus.

 

   If you are talking about genetically altered virus, then that is always a possibility. They do that all the time. It is done to manufacture vaccines, it can be done for treatments, and it is done as research. Weaponizing a virus is prohibited by convention and the consequences would be severe enough that I would be surprised to ever see it discovered.

 

  If you are talking about this specific virus as being genetically altered, it is unlikely given what is already known. 

Edited March 7, 2020 by Steeleballz

[yuna628 9,713]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext  

 

You can find an agreeing statement from scientists here with citations. They are very certain where it came from.

 

More also here. https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/theory-that-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-lacks-evidence-67229

 

It is well, also sort of a shame that this came from bats, but likely because of very unhealthy practices with humans. Bats kind of get such a terrible rap already, and they are a very important species for survival. But the populations are declining and they are also getting sick.

[Boiler 46,117]

I certainly would not say it was man made, developed, weaponised seems likely.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  There is no such thing as a "man made" virus.

 

   If you are talking about genetically altered virus, then that is always a possibility. They do that all the time. It is done to manufacture vaccines, it can be done for treatments, and it is done as research. Weaponizing a virus is prohibited by convention and the consequences would be severe enough that I would be surprised to ever see it discovered.

 

  If you are talking about this specific virus as being genetically altered, it is unlikely given what is already know. 

Yes.  But it has been done in the past, as we all know.  And the BWC in its current state is very new, as of 2019.  The Geneva Protocol goes back to 1925, and there have been several instances of biological warfare since then.  Ever hear of agent orange?  (Yes, I know, chemical vs biological, but the intent is the same)

 

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A draft of the BWC, submitted by the British^[2] was opened for signature on 10 April 1972 and entered into force 26 March 1975 when twenty-two governments had deposited their instruments of ratification.^[3] It commits the 183 states which are party to it as of August 2019 to prohibit the development, production, and stockpiling of biological and toxin weapons. However, the absence of any formal verification regime to monitor compliance has limited the effectiveness of the Convention. An additional five states have signed the BWC but have yet to ratify the treaty.

Prior to 2019, the development of biological weapons was permitted.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

Just now, Boiler said:

I certainly would not say it was man made, developed, weaponised seems likely.

 

  Not to me it doesn't. This article looks to me how a typical article saying AR15's kill more people would look to you. Rubbish without any basis in fact or context and no supporting data to prove the claim.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Yes.  But it has been done in the past, as we all know.  And the BWC in its current state is very new, as of 2019.  The Geneva Protocol goes back to 1925, and there have been several instances of biological warfare since then.  Ever hear of agent orange?  (Yes, I know, chemical vs biological, but the intent is the same)

 

 

  So would your assertion be that this random guy on the internet has been able to prove something that national virology laboratories cannot, or are you asserting that there is a cover up going on? Those are the only two options, and the choice that the laboratories wouldn't be able to detect this is very unlikely.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

10 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext  

 

You can find an agreeing statement from scientists here with citations. They are very certain where it came from.

 

More also here. https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/theory-that-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-lacks-evidence-67229

 

It is well, also sort of a shame that this came from bats, but likely because of very unhealthy practices with humans. Bats kind of get such a terrible rap already, and they are a very important species for survival. But the populations are declining and they are also getting sick.

Call me a conspiracy nut, but the idea that a bunch of scientists were asked to agree on this topic, in order to prevent public panic or condemnation of a biological weapon is not far-fetched.  While animals certainly have been the root hosts for things over the years, the Chinese have been eating bats for centuries.  Why Covid-19 now? I've read bats/pangoliins/snakes have been the source.  Having been in the military, and having seen experimental drugs being used on soldiers, and some of the travesties that governments will allow in the spirit of "winning", I wouldn't be at all surprised that a group of scientists could be called upon to create such a document blaming it on bats.  Or rats.  Or whatever.  There is no monetary reason why a theory cannot become reality.