94-year-old former Nazi guard living in US deported to Germany

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

The problem with the US is not enforcing our immigration laws for many years and people come here because we are SO lackadaisical about such.  

 

Just had a convo this morning with a gent who said he was visiting Colombia last year.  He put down on the entry forms that he was going to be in the country 9 days.  Then decided to stay longer.  On day 11, immigration police were knocking on his hotel door, and forced him to go to a local office, pay a fine of $150 for over stay, and request an extension.   Also told him that had he not been at the address on the forms, they would have permanently banned him from ever entering Colombia for life.

 

Then the gentleman asked me, "Why isn't your country more like that?  You don't even follow your own laws!"

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

The problem with the US is not enforcing our immigration laws for many years and people come here because we are SO lackadaisical about such.  

 

Just had a convo this morning with a gent who said he was visiting Colombia last year.  He put down on the entry forms that he was going to be in the country 9 days.  Then decided to stay longer.  On day 11, immigration police were knocking on his hotel door, and forced him to go to a local office, pay a fine of $150 for over stay, and request an extension.   Also told him that had he not been at the address on the forms, they would have permanently banned him from ever entering Colombia for life.

 

Then the gentleman asked me, "Why isn't your country more like that?  You don't even follow your own laws!"

 

  I have heard stories of people leaving Russia with a visa that expired the previous day,  being made to extend it before they are allowed to get on their flight. I can't verify, we never mess around and risk mistakes with Russian immigration and customs, but it wouldn't surprise me. 

Edited March 9, 2020 by Steeleballz

[Rosalind F 178]

2 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

  I have heard stories of people leaving Russia with a visa that expired the previous day,  being made to extend it before they are allowed to get on their flight. I can't verify, we never mess around and risk mistakes with Russian immigration and customs, but it wouldn't surprise me. 

I would definitely never-ever-ever mess with Russian immigration/customs. The risk of falling into deep endless Kafkaesque bureaucracy pit is too high.

Really makes US bureaucracy seem nice and chill.   

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

Its ok to punch Nazi's in the face

[Neonred 3,632]

7 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  I have heard stories of people leaving Russia with a visa that expired the previous day,  being made to extend it before they are allowed to get on their flight. I can't verify, we never mess around and risk mistakes with Russian immigration and customs, but it wouldn't surprise me. 

 

5 hours ago, Rosalind F said:

I would definitely never-ever-ever mess with Russian immigration/customs. The risk of falling into deep endless Kafkaesque bureaucracy pit is too high.

Really makes US bureaucracy seem nice and chill.   

I've had my experience with a similar problem.  Not an expired visa but a visa that wasn't properly registered...long story as I let my then girl, soon then to be fiancee and now my wife, take care of my visa registration.  Knew I was in trouble when a few days before we were leaving her town to fly to Moscow before my return, I was told by her and her friends "If they question you about your visa registration just tell them..."  Yep, I was in trouble and detained for a short while at the airport in Rostov.  My wife can be a bull dog, and she worked them over pretty well, and after that it only cost me $20, but that was 16 years ago.  I understand they aren't that easy now.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

9 hours ago, Rosalind F said:

🙀

What it all has to do with my initial observation that it is funny to put on the same scale communist at any time or nazi 1933-1945? (although eventually answers not treated the same)

How did you make it still political? And why? What are you trying to prove?

How did I make a political topic political? Mad skills, duh.

 

I read a complaint masquerading as amusement about "Nazi" criteria not being the same as communism on immigration forms. I felt there was discussion to have over it, because how the government derived this criteria is rather important. Noticeably, you're evading the subject now. 😉 

Edited March 9, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[TBoneTX 45,966]

Nazis need to be put into a locked room with the children and grandchildren of Survivors.

For as long as it takes.

[Rosalind F 178]

14 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

How did I make a political topic political? Mad skills, duh.

 

I read a complaint masquerading as amusement about "Nazi" criteria not being the same as communism on immigration forms. I felt there was discussion to have over it, because how the government derived this criteria is rather important. Noticeably, you're evading the subject now. 😉 

Noticeably, you prefer to change the subject to something very different from my initial comment  

 

[Dashinka 24,744]

On 3/8/2020 at 4:04 PM, Rosalind F said:

Sure they are treated differently as they should

I was referring more to the fact that the questions are next to each other and in the same category. It makes the person filling out the forms feel like these questions are equally important even though eventually not treated the same. 

It's merely amusing; I am not complaining

Technically these questions are not next to each other, one being Part 12 question 10, and the other being Part 12 question 13.  Additionally, the Nazi question will be going away eventually (probably within 20 years).

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

Technically these questions are not next to each other, one being Part 12 question 10, and the other being Part 12 question 13.  Additionally, the Nazi question will be going away eventually (probably within 20 years).

 

  The communist one should go too. Neither question is relevant in 2020.

[Dashinka 24,744]

52 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  The communist one should go too. Neither question is relevant in 2020.

So folks in the upper echelons of the Chinese Communist Party should not have to answer?

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

A lot of good decent Germans joined the Nazi party or served becuse of fear. Having been  nazi party member or a german soldier does not automatically make them a war criminal. 

[Dashinka 24,744]

50 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

A lot of good decent Germans joined the Nazi party or served becuse of fear. Having been  nazi party member or a german soldier does not automatically make them a war criminal. 

To be fair, I am not sure that either question in general is automatic denial.  Personally, I think Part 12, question 13 C would be the automatic disqualifier, but of course, I do not work for USCIS, so I do not know for certain.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

14 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

To be fair, I am not sure that either question in general is automatic denial.  Personally, I think Part 12, question 13 C would be the automatic disqualifier, but of course, I do not work for USCIS, so I do not know for certain.

Seems true. One can tell in news articles like this they look at their Nazi background -- where the person was, who they were around, and what they did. If they helped partake in atrocities against other humans, the "I was afraid" argument, or argument from ignorance, won't work. 

 

I thought I was doing the right thing, I was obeying orders, and now, of course, I see that it was unnecessary and wrong. But I don’t know what you mean by being upset….I didn’t personally murder anybody. I was just the director of the extermination program at Auschwitz. --Rudolf Höss

 

He was rightfully executed. 

Edited March 10, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

So folks in the upper echelons of the Chinese Communist Party should not have to answer?

 

  There is already questions asking if they have been a member of an oppressive regime, have been a terrorist or have been involved in genocide. That is what USCIS wants to know. Just expand that question. Doesn't matter what party they use to identify themselves. 

 

  I know people who were members of the communist party and got LPR approved without even having an interview. USCIS does not care if you were a communist. If you answer yes to that question, you then have to describe in what capacity you were a member and why. They are more concerned with what you did. In the USSR, people often had no choice but to be a member.

Edited March 10, 2020 by Steeleballz