94-year-old former Nazi guard living in US deported to Germany

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

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A 94-year-old German ex-Nazi who’s been living in America for over 60 years will be deported following a ruling by a Tennessee immigration judge, US officials said.

Friedrich Karl Berger, who was an armed guard at a concentration camp near Meppen, Germany, in 1945, was ordered on Feb. 28 to be removed from the States, government officials said.

 

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The Memphis immigration judge in Berger’s two-day trial found the prisoners being guarded by the ex-Nazi were subjected to barbaric conditions and forced into labor.

Berger is also accused of guarding a forced evacuation to the main camp that left 70 prisoners dead.

The former concentration camp guard, who moved to the US in 1959, is still collecting a pension from Germany. He had most recently been living in Tennessee.

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According to the DOJ, inspectors have investigated and ordered the removal of 109 other individuals who were found to have assisted the Nazis since 1979.

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In 2018, President Donald Trump personally ordered the removal of Jakiw Palij, then 95, from the U.S., citing his role as an armed guard at a death camp in Nazi-occupied Poland. Palij was also accused of lying to American immigration officials about his role when he came to the U.S. after the war.

Palij passed away in Germany several months after his return.

 

https://nypost.com/2020/03/06/94-year-old-former-nazi-guard-living-in-us-deported-to-germany/

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/man-served-concentration-camp-guard-nazi-germany-ordered/story?id=69410797

 

Crazy, I figured all these people were dead already.

 

Bye Felicia!

[Dashinka 24,518]

2 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

https://nypost.com/2020/03/06/94-year-old-former-nazi-guard-living-in-us-deported-to-germany/

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/man-served-concentration-camp-guard-nazi-germany-ordered/story?id=69410797

 

Crazy, I figured all these people were dead already.

 

Bye Felicia!

No doubt, I don’t imagine we will be seeing many more of these stories in the future.

[Rosalind F 178]

What I find sorta amusing is how these immigration forms ask if you EVER were a member of a communist party, and then next question whether you associated with nazi from 1933 to 1945. It's never okay to be a commie! But nazi is okay after 1945. 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

36 minutes ago, Rosalind F said:

What I find sorta amusing is how these immigration forms ask if you EVER were a member of a communist party, and then next question whether you associated with nazi from 1933 to 1945. It's never okay to be a commie! But nazi is okay after 1945. 

 

    They are treated differently. Being affiliated with the nazi party during WWII is an absolute and permanent ban on admission the USA. Communist party membership has many exceptions which would allow one  to be admitted. Voluntary membership with any absolutist regime is going to cause significant issues to admission and naturalization.

Edited March 8, 2020 by Steeleballz

[Rosalind F 178]

1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    They are treated differently. Being affiliated with the nazi party during WWII is an absolute and permanent ban on admission the USA. Communist party membership has many exceptions which wold allow one  to be admitted. Voluntary membership with any absolutist regime is going to cause significant issues to admission and naturalization.

Sure they are treated differently as they should

I was referring more to the fact that the questions are next to each other and in the same category. It makes the person filling out the forms feel like these questions are equally important even though eventually not treated the same. 

It's merely amusing; I am not complaining

[Steeleballz 7,550]

Just now, Rosalind F said:

Sure they are treated differently as they should

I was referring more to the fact that the questions are next to each other and in the same category. It makes the person filling out the forms feel like these questions are equally important even though eventually not treated the same. 

It's merely amusing; I am not complaining

 

 I agree. I think more along the lines of the next question - if you have been affiliated with a government involved with persecution or genocide is all that is really needed nowadays. There are no WWII nazi's trying to gain admission any more, and there are very few communist party members left who would not be eligible for entry.  

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

Funny no one complains when Trump pushes this law, not that I am equating being a prison guard in a concentration camp to being an illegal alien, but there is no Whitney liberal cry for these infirm older men. Good for Trump

[Steeleballz 7,550]

16 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

Funny no one complains when Trump pushes this law, not that I am equating being a prison guard in a concentration camp to being an illegal alien, but there is no Whitney liberal cry for these infirm older men. Good for Trump

 

 Has any administration ever allowed someone associated with the WWII Nazi regime to remain in the US? They all would have had to commit immigration fraud to get here, so they were always subject to the permanent ban for their party membership plus willful misrepresentation while being admitted to the US. 

 

 I suppose the exception would be the military scientists who were brought here by the government. IIRC, many of them left voluntarily when the US government made a deal that former nazi party members could keep their social security benefits if they left the US voluntarily and willingly. I believe some are still collecting. Not many left though. 

Edited March 8, 2020 by Steeleballz

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

3 hours ago, Rosalind F said:

What I find sorta amusing is how these immigration forms ask if you EVER were a member of a communist party, and then next question whether you associated with nazi from 1933 to 1945. It's never okay to be a commie! But nazi is okay after 1945. 

I think the amusing thing is the inability to grasp the historical context used. Nazis described people in Nazi Germany, which ended in 1945 due to losing WW2. You couldn't become a Nazi after 1945. Communism and Nazism were obviously not the same, so using the same criteria is comical.

 

Calling people Nazis today is what's amusing.

Edited March 8, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

 Has any administration ever allowed someone associated with the WWII Nazi regime to remain in the US? They all would have had to commit immigration fraud to get here, so they were always subject to the permanent ban for their party membership plus willful misrepresentation while being admitted to the US. 

 

 I suppose the exception would be the military scientists who were brought here by the government. IIRC, many of them left voluntarily when the US government made a deal that former nazi party members could keep their social security benefits if they left the US voluntarily and willingly. I believe some are still collecting. Not many left though. 

109 investigated and ordered deported, yet still here in 2020 to be deported, why not sooner

[Steeleballz 7,550]

37 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

109 investigated and ordered deported, yet still here in 2020 to be deported, why not sooner

 

   They can fight deportation. Most seem to claim not to have been involved with the nazi party. If they do, it goes before an immigration judge.

 

  There was also the issue that some of them were stateless, in which case even though they are subject to deportation, we have to find someone who will take them.  Trump did push harder than some for Germany to take back the last guy who was stateless, but he isn't the only president to do that.

 

   Anyway, hopefully this is the last of them. I'm sure there were also some who got away with it, but there can't be too many left either way.

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

Most were teenagers at the end of the war...

[Rosalind F 178]

1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

I think the amusing thing is the inability to grasp the historical context used. Nazis described people in Nazi Germany, which ended in 1945 due to losing WW2. You couldn't become a Nazi after 1945. Communism and Nazism were obviously not the same, so using the same criteria is comical.

 

Calling people Nazis today is what's amusing.

I think you are using a narrow definition. It also can be referred to people following fascism ideology.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/nazi

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

3 hours ago, Rosalind F said:

I think you are using a narrow definition. It also can be referred to people following fascism ideology.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/nazi

The forms use that same narrow definition because it's logic. Despite attempts in recent times to liken anyone to Nazis, the distinguishing characteristics of Nazis were the actions of Nazis -- ethnic genocide of millions of Jewish people, war and carnage across an entire continent, by Nazi Germany. Indeed, the Nazis were fascistic. However, fascism was/is not uncommon, and there's a word to describe fascism.. fascism. Nazis were fascists, not all fascists were/are Nazis. Easy.

 

The use of Nazis in modern public discourse (as in, last several years) is almost purely caricature, especially of political opponents. Just because the public discourse uses deranged rationales and tactics doesn't mean policy must follow suit. So it makes perfect sense that those forms follow rationality as there's no new Nazis post WW2 (1945). While Nazis were clearly something to describe Nazi Germany, Communism in the context used describes a type of government (political/economic system) in general. Not a difficult distinction, except to the people that amusingly can't describe political opponents without such extreme caricature.

[Rosalind F 178]

9 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

The forms use that same narrow definition because it's logic. Despite attempts in recent times to liken anyone to Nazis, the distinguishing characteristics of Nazis were the actions of Nazis -- ethnic genocide of millions of Jewish people, war and carnage across an entire continent, by Nazi Germany. Indeed, the Nazis were fascistic. However, fascism was/is not uncommon, and there's a word to describe fascism.. fascism. Nazis were fascists, not all fascists were/are Nazis. Easy.

 

The use of Nazis in modern public discourse (as in, last several years) is almost purely caricature, especially of political opponents. Just because the public discourse uses deranged rationales and tactics doesn't mean policy must follow suit. So it makes perfect sense that those forms follow rationality as there's no new Nazis post WW2 (1945). While Nazis were clearly something to describe Nazi Germany, Communism in the context used describes a type of government (political/economic system) in general. Not a difficult distinction, except to the people that amusingly can't describe political opponents without such extreme caricature.

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What it all has to do with my initial observation that it is funny to put on the same scale communist at any time or nazi 1933-1945? (although eventually answers not treated the same)

How did you make it still political? And why? What are you trying to prove?