Socialism's Inequalities

[90DayFinancier 910]

24 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Could be wrong but it seems most drugs are imported into the Nordic countries, so how does that add up to 99.9%

 

Does the State build the Hospitals, manufacture the beds, grow the food etc etc.

The ussr imported and exported all the time. Venezuela is exporting oil, Cuba has trade...and they are "bona fide" socialist.

It sounds like what you reject is the concept of Market Socialism or Social democracy. Those are things. 

 

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

32 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

The ussr imported and exported all the time. Venezuela is exporting oil, Cuba has trade...and they are "bona fide" socialist.

It sounds like what you reject is the concept of Market Socialism or Social democracy. Those are things. 

 

 

The US government runs the VA medical system.  What are your thoughts about how that system is run, and how it will translate into a government-run system for the entire US?

See also: USPS

[90DayFinancier 910]

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

The US government runs the VA medical system.  What are your thoughts about how that system is run, and how it will translate into a government-run system for the entire US?

 

I am not an expert on healthcare, but I do know workflows.  Fix the flow between DOD and the VA. Paperwork.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

See also: USPS

Post office? What are your complaints? My postmistress is Swedish and quite charming.

 

 

 

[Boiler 45,965]

Mine has Welsh ancestory!

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

11 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

I am not an expert on healthcare, but I do know workflows.  Fix the flow between DOD and the VA. Paperwork.

 

Yes.  That’s it.  Paperwork is why the US government has FAILED to run a small healthcare system for decades.  I won’t ask you what you think they would do with one 50X that size, because I know you won’t get it.  

 

It. Would. Fail.

[NikLR 13,232]

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

The US government runs the VA medical system.  What are your thoughts about how that system is run, and how it will translate into a government-run system for the entire US?

See also: USPS

VA medical is poorly run. People do wait much longer for care.  Is it because there are also private systems in place? Possibly but doubtful.  BC Canada also has private systems in place for medical but majority use the system they already pay for in taxes.  You tend to wait longer in Canada for things that take less time here, but actually necessary things (like cancer treatment) is given priority over someone's hip replacement.  

Trying to compare systems though when the populous is so different is hard.  

 

In BC (arguably the most socialist of all Canadian provinces) you could only use one auto insurance provider, (government owned) which made it easier on people to purchase insurance and registration, also easier with accidents since everyone has the same insurance, BUT since there was zero competition, prices are terrible and payouts and decisions took forever.  In Alberta the system is better with more registration and license places, and competitive rates for insurance, but still government mandated fees and minimum coverages.  You also never see cars there with bumpers missing, panels bashed, missing windows etc as the police actually fine you for not having a safe vehicle vs just running speed traps. 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

55 minutes ago, NikLR said:

VA medical is poorly run. People do wait much longer for care.  Is it because there are also private systems in place? Possibly but doubtful.  BC Canada also has private systems in place for medical but majority use the system they already pay for in taxes.  You tend to wait longer in Canada for things that take less time here, but actually necessary things (like cancer treatment) is given priority over someone's hip replacement.  

Trying to compare systems though when the populous is so different is hard.  

 

In BC (arguably the most socialist of all Canadian provinces) you could only use one auto insurance provider, (government owned) which made it easier on people to purchase insurance and registration, also easier with accidents since everyone has the same insurance, BUT since there was zero competition, prices are terrible and payouts and decisions took forever.  In Alberta the system is better with more registration and license places, and competitive rates for insurance, but still government mandated fees and minimum coverages.  You also never see cars there with bumpers missing, panels bashed, missing windows etc as the police actually fine you for not having a safe vehicle vs just running speed traps. 

Lets not go over how we get liquor in Alberta.

 

Because I listened to the long version of the story at a Liquor Depot, they apparently went against their rules to tell me what competing store stocked the Kiltlifter (Moylans, Scotch Ale) I was looking for (since the Alberta system tracks which stores have it, and apparently all the liquor stores know each other's inventory -- tl;dr->Alberta province orders all liquor in the province, stores order from them, it's apparently called "private" because they can choose how much they mark-up booze the Alberta government orders and lets them purchase). I guess I should be thankful for the $11-13 a bottle I paid.

Edited March 3, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

Speaking of socialism's inequalities, how about Bernie today..

 

 

 

Is this the same green new deal socialist? The one who drove a gas guzzling SUV into an airport to take a private jet 3 times in a single day to fly to campaign stops to pitch for his green guilt tax grab?

 

I guess if you slap a word on it like "democratic" it makes it any less indicative of, or somehow masks, what its really about -- power. But its just one facade you can easily see through in a boatload of them.

Edited March 3, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Boiler 45,965]

95 miles.

[TBoneTX 45,966]

They make and want rules that apply to everyone but them.

[Dashinka 24,744]

3 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

They make and want rules that apply to everyone but them.

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. 

[NikLR 13,232]

7 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Lets not go over how we get liquor in Alberta.

 

Because I listened to the long version of the story at a Liquor Depot, they apparently went against their rules to tell me what competing store stocked the Kiltlifter (Moylans, Scotch Ale) I was looking for (since the Alberta system tracks which stores have it, and apparently all the liquor stores know each other's inventory -- tl;dr->Alberta province orders all liquor in the province, stores order from them, it's apparently called "private" because they can choose how much they mark-up booze the Alberta government orders and lets them purchase). I guess I should be thankful for the $11-13 a bottle I paid.

In BC all liquor stores are run by the government and only cold beer and wine can be purchased thru privately owned but provincially regulated. 

 

[NikLR 13,232]

Onto health care... an inhaler costs me $300 out of pocket because it's for my cat.  Pet insurance doesn't work like current human insurance fyi.

In Canada because medication is federally controlled, same inhaler costs me $80. Wouldnt matter if it was for me or my cat.  Wtheck on that mark up!

Because the script is written by a Colorado veterinarian they also cant fill the script except online.  

 

 

Edited March 3, 2020 by NikLR

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

9 minutes ago, NikLR said:

In BC all liquor stores are run by the government and only cold beer and wine can be purchased thru privately owned but provincially regulated. 

 

It's really the same in Alberta even if they like to pretend its private. If the provincial government doesn't purchase the booze, no liquor stores get anything.

[Dashinka 24,744]

6 minutes ago, NikLR said:

Onto health care... an inhaler costs me $300 out of pocket because it's for my cat.  Pet insurance doesn't work like current human insurance fyi.

In Canada because medication is federally controlled, same inhaler costs me $80. Wouldnt matter if it was for me or my cat.  Wtheck on that mark up!

Because the script is written by a Colorado veterinarian they also cant fill the script except online.  

 

 

I often wonder what would happen if every country controlled prescription prices.  I imagine less research and probably shortages at some point.