Coronavirus’s spread in U.S. is ‘inevitable,’ CDC warns

[Crazy Cat 42,025]

1 hour ago, 90DayFinancier said:

I love the part where he gripes about the paywall.   

What does he do now? " I'm sorry Mr President, we were going to present a comprehensive report on the progress to fight this epidemic but I had already looked at my free pages this month and I didn't want to use my credit card to subscribe.

 

I see NOTHING in his tweet which indicates he was using that web site as his source for his information..This is yet another BS hit story.........

[90DayFinancier 910]

Stock market news live: Wall Street plunges as coronavirus pandemic fears rock markets

Heidi ChungJavier E. David and Nishant Mohan

Yahoo FinanceFebruary 27, 2020, 3:32 PM UTC

Markets are reeling again on Thursday, after the U.S. reported its first coronavirus case involving a person who didn’t travel to an infected country, and didn’t knowingly interact with someone who did. Experts are becoming increasingly resigned to a worldwide spread of the disease, even as China’s new infections slow.

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10:27 a.m. ET: Selling intensifies, all major benchmarks deep into the red

The Dow (^DJI) is now off by about 700 points, or 3% on the day, while the Nasdaq (^IXIC) is plunging by more than 3%.

And the mood on Wall Street is grim: Goldman Sachs now expects no earnings growth this year at all:

[yuna628 9,690]

It is pretty embarrassing that the CDC outright refused to run the test on the patient in California who was by last Wednesday critically ill and the doctors at UCD were all but begging them to. They waited until Sunday...   meanwhile the patient sounds like they are in pretty grave condition and they have no idea how they contracted it.

 

The only link here seems to be that some persons from the ship are being housed on a base in the county were the patient lived. Could it be that they have failed in containment measures and persons working on the base are spreading it?

 

I remember when H1N1 was the thing. The doctor at the clinic wasted no time calling the CDC and running the test on me. I waited a couple hours while they confirmed the diagnosis and reported it to the proper agency. 

[90DayFinancier 910]

19 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

It is pretty embarrassing that the CDC outright refused to run the test on the patient in California who was by last Wednesday critically ill and the doctors at UCD were all but begging them to. They waited until Sunday...   meanwhile the patient sounds like they are in pretty grave condition and they have no idea how they contracted it.

 

The only link here seems to be that some persons from the ship are being housed on a base in the county were the patient lived. Could it be that they have failed in containment measures and persons working on the base are spreading it?

 

I remember when H1N1 was the thing. The doctor at the clinic wasted no time calling the CDC and running the test on me. I waited a couple hours while they confirmed the diagnosis and reported it to the proper agency. 

If we don't test we cannot get the disease and it goes away on it's own, by April, so I have heard. 

[JonSeattle 202]

49 minutes ago, missileman said:

I see NOTHING in his tweet which indicates he was using that web site as his source for his information..This is yet another BS hit story.........

Don't worry, when the Dem's take over the government and it controls all health care, there won't be any more problems.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

8 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

If we don't test we cannot get the disease and it goes away on it's own, by April, so I have heard. 

That is certainly one potential outcome.  Or the virus mutates and becomes more... virulent.   We'll certainly know next year how it went down.

[Neonred 3,600]

1 hour ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Stock market news live: Wall Street plunges as coronavirus pandemic fears rock markets

Heidi ChungJavier E. David and Nishant Mohan

Yahoo FinanceFebruary 27, 2020, 3:32 PM UTC

Markets are reeling again on Thursday, after the U.S. reported its first coronavirus case involving a person who didn’t travel to an infected country, and didn’t knowingly interact with someone who did. Experts are becoming increasingly resigned to a worldwide spread of the disease, even as China’s new infections slow.

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10:27 a.m. ET: Selling intensifies, all major benchmarks deep into the red

The Dow (^DJI) is now off by about 700 points, or 3% on the day, while the Nasdaq (^IXIC) is plunging by more than 3%.

And the mood on Wall Street is grim: Goldman Sachs now expects no earnings growth this year at all:

Finally getting to a buying opportunity.

[90DayFinancier 910]

I peeked at my stocks and bonds.  Fortunately I moved heavily out of the market last week but I am still taking a drubbing. On the bright side, my Netflix and healthcare stocks are looking good.

[90DayFinancier 910]

21 minutes ago, Neonred said:

Finally getting to a buying opportunity.

I agree, but I am sitting tight a bit.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

That is certainly one potential outcome.  Or the virus mutates and becomes more... virulent.   We'll certainly know next year how it went down.

 

  Or it get's less virulent. The "novel" H1N1 that circulated in 2009 is still around. It's just considered one of the seasonal flu strains now and nobody really talks about it much. Chances are this new Coronavirus will stick around and continue to circulate seasonally as one of the more severe variants of the common cold.  It will probably always have the potential to cause severe disease in some people, and eventually we will be able to test for it routinely and figure out which supportive therapy works best and that will probably be it. Just like all the other virulent strains of common viruses that sometimes cause severe life threatening disease and have no vaccine or specific treatment. 

[JonSeattle 202]

28 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Or it get's less virulent. The "novel" H1N1 that circulated in 2009 is still around. It's just considered one of the seasonal flu strains now and nobody really talks about it much. Chances are this new Coronavirus will stick around and continue to circulate seasonally as one of the more severe variants of the common cold.  It will probably always have the potential to cause severe disease in some people, and eventually we will be able to test for it routinely and figure out which supportive therapy works best and that will probably be it. Just like all the other virulent strains of common viruses that sometimes cause severe life threatening disease and have no vaccine or specific treatment. 

Depends on who you mean by nobody. H1N1 is still a big factor in planning the flu vaccine that gets sent out each year. This year in particular the flu has been fatal to a larger number of children:

 

Pediatric Influenza Deaths in US Second Highest on Record: CDC
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/925587

 

COVID19 might kill 10% of those over 70, and probably leave many of the survivors in much worse condition than they were before, if trends in China extend  elsewhere. Even for younger people it is as deadly as the 1917 Spanish, not the usual flu. Even the regular flu we think of dismissively because colds are mis-diagnosed at home as the "flu". Even the everyday regular flu is a serious disease.

 

It will also put a huge strain on the health care system for all diseases, which is already in rough shape.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

6 minutes ago, JonSeattle said:

Depends on who you mean by nobody. H1N1 is still a big factor in planning the flu vaccine that gets sent out each year. This year in particular the flu has been fatal to a larger number of children:

 

Pediatric Influenza Deaths in US Second Highest on Record: CDC
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/925587

 

COVID19 might kill 10% of those over 70, and probably leave many of the survivors in much worse condition than they were before, if trends in China extend  elsewhere. Even for younger people it is as deadly as the 1917 Spanish, not the usual flu. Even the regular flu we think of dismissively because colds are mis-diagnosed at home as the "flu". Even the everyday regular flu is a serious disease.

 

It will also put a huge strain on the health care system for all diseases, which is already in rough shape.

 

  What I mean is, in any given year, there may be more virulent strains of flu circulating than the 2009 H1N1 strain. We no longer respond differently to that strain than any other. It's not known to be any more severe than any other given strain, although in some years it could be. As long as it is common, it will be included in the vaccine, but the treatment is based on symptoms. If someone has flu, regardless of which common strain, they should stay home and rest, and be prepared to seek medical help if symptoms become severe or don't improve.

 

  While we can't be sure how this current strain of Coronavirus will evolve, my best guess is that it will behave similarly to the 4 other Coronavirus strains that have jumped from animals to human circulation. That is, that it will eventually cause mild respiratory illness for most and probably with the potential to cause more severe illness for those already immunocompromised. If it behaves like other strains of Coronavirus, it will not spread easily in the summer, but if it spreads enough, it will persist in other areas until next season. We can still hope that it will be contained enough to be completely resolved in summer and not come back, but that is less likely as new reservoirs of infection are established. If it does become established, it will be severe for at least a few years, like any virus that makes a jump to a new host. Eventually people will develop short term immunity and the virus itself will likely attenuate.  It's not going to turn out like avian influenza or hantavirus. 

[yuna628 9,690]

Why don't we test for H1N1 anymore though? Would it not be useful for statistics and seeing if it is mutating in some way? Couldn't a person potentially have flu symptoms but test negative for the flu because they aren't actually being tested for H1N1? In my experience back then, I remember that was two distinctive tests one for flu and the other for H1N1.

 

That thing was absolutely terrible, knocked me right out. Of course everyone else in the house got it, but my mom is like a freakin' tank. Barely bothered her, even with the cancer. With this i'm very concerned about both parents. 

Edited February 27, 2020 by yuna628

[Steeleballz 7,550]

10 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Why don't we test for H1N1 anymore though? Would it not be useful for statistics and seeing if it is mutating in some way? Couldn't a person potentially have flu symptoms but test negative for the flu because they aren't actually being tested for H1N1? In my experience back then, I remember that was two distinctive tests one for flu and the other for H1N1.

 

That thing was absolutely terrible, knocked me right out. Of course everyone else in the house got it, but my mom is like a freakin' tank. Barely bothered her, even with the cancer. With this i'm very concerned about both parents. 

 

  We can (and do occassionally). It's detected as part of the regular rapid kits that any lab or doctors office has. It doesn't identify the specific strain, but it will result in a positive test. In 2009 it wasn't detectable in the rapid test so it had to be sent to a reference lab.

 

   Nowadays, it can still be identified specifically by molecular testing. However, generally the treatment for flu is stay home and rest. If they suspect the 2009 H1N1 strain, they can charge a lot of money to send it for confirmation, charge you a bigger bill, and then tell you to stay home and rest. As a general rule, testing is not done if it doesn't alter prognosis or treatment, but certainly it can be done by request.

Edited February 27, 2020 by Steeleballz

[JonSeattle 202]

This kind of reporting is why a pandemic is inevitable: (from https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51645902)

 

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The focus of the coronavirus outbreak is shifting - from China to the rest of the world, particularly Europe.

On the face of it, this seems like bad news. But there are positives too. China appears to be getting on top of the virus with the number of new cases each day reducing.

This suggests that efforts to contain the virus by telling people to stay at home, stopping large public gatherings and preventing travel are working.

The message from officials at the World Health Organization is that containment is still possible and a global pandemic is not inevitable.

 

The Chinese were not "telling people to stay at home." They were welded all but one door shut to apartment buildings and put guards at the one remaining door, only letting one person per household out, once every three days. Telling people to stay at home did occur, however, when there were no room left in the hospitals.

 

Why the media is soft-pedaling this is a mystery to me. It's almost as if they want an enormous health-care crisis just as a presidential election is occurring, for some reason.