Coronavirus’s spread in U.S. is ‘inevitable,’ CDC warns

[TBoneTX 45,831]

8 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

starting to get lower respiratory tract symptoms.

That would seem to be the lung and the short of it.

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[90DayFinancier 910]

So much for  border security:

 

 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

1 hour ago, 90DayFinancier said:

So much for  border security:

 

 

Impeach Trump now. Its all his fault 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, 90DayFinancier said:

So much for  border security:

 

 

 

  This is why they made a case for banning flights to certain regions. They are screening travellers, not incarcerating them. It works when people have symptoms or self identify. They are not going to find people who are hiding information. This tweeter actually doesn't come across looking good at all. If this person shows up in ER next week after exposing 100's of other people, my question would be why didn't she do the responsible thing and notify security when she entered. Saying they didn't ask is not an excuse. She knew she was in an endemic region.

 

  That said, the virus is here. It's time to stop worrying about bringing it in from somewhere else. That ship has sailed. Obviously when you institute quarantines and control protocols the way they did in China, people are going to try to mask  symptoms and travel history as they attempt to get back home. Once that happened, it was too late to contain. 

 

  The strategy now is mitigation, and we are primed to screw that up too. People are not going to be tested when they see others getting billed thousands of dollars for the test. People with no symptoms are not going to stay home for 14 days. It's just not going to happen. This is going to highlight a lot of the deficiencies of the US health care system and workplace.

 

[90DayFinancier 910]

13 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  This is why they made a case for banning flights to certain regions. They are screening travellers, not incarcerating them. It works when people have symptoms or self identify. They are not going to find people who are hiding information. This tweeter actually doesn't come across looking good at all. If this person shows up in ER next week after exposing 100's of other people, my question would be why didn't she do the responsible thing and notify security when she entered. Saying they didn't ask is not an excuse. She knew she was in an endemic region.

 

  That said, the virus is here. It's time to stop worrying about bringing it in from somewhere else. That ship has sailed. Obviously when you institute quarantines and control protocols the way they did in China, people are going to try to mask  symptoms and travel history as they attempt to get back home. Once that happened, it was too late to contain. 

 

  The strategy now is mitigation, and we are primed to screw that up too. People are not going to be tested when they see others getting billed thousands of dollars for the test. People with no symptoms are not going to stay home for 14 days. It's just not going to happen. This is going to highlight a lot of the deficiencies of the US health care system and workplace.

 

I don't understand how she comes across looking bad. You answer the questions asked of you when enter and you do not volunteer more information than asked. 

If she was asked to volunteer that information earlier in the process and hid that fact, that would be another story.

 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

I don't understand how she comes across looking bad. You answer the questions asked of you when enter and you do not volunteer more information than asked. 

If she was asked to volunteer that information earlier in the process and hid that fact, that would be another story.

 

 

  She did not know she was in Italy and that Coronavirus is a thing? There are thousands of Americans in self quarantine right now. They are not being questioned or monitored. They are being trusted to do the right thing. The measures we have in place currently only work if people voluntarily comply. She could have volunteered the information if they neglected to ask, and she knows that. She didn't want to.

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42 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

I don't understand how she comes across looking bad. You answer the questions asked of you when enter and you do not volunteer more information than asked. 

If she was asked to volunteer that information earlier in the process and hid that fact, that would be another story.

 

If YOU flew into the US, after having been in an area where CV was a known and wide-spread thing,  would YOU volunteer that info?  I know I would.  It's the responsible thing to do.

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39 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  She did not know she was in Italy and that Coronavirus is a thing? There are thousands of Americans in self quarantine right now. They are not being questioned or monitored. They are being trusted to do the right thing. The measures we have in place currently only work if people voluntarily comply. She could have volunteered the information if they neglected to ask, and she knows that. She didn't want to.

This guy decided it did not apply to him, and he was an employee at a medical facility.

 

By Farah Stockman

• March 6, 2020, 9:06 a.m. ET

BOSTON — When an employee of the Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center in New Hampshire showed signs of possible coronavirus last week, a medical worker who had examined him told him to avoid contact with others, pending further tests. Instead, he went to a mixer at a crowded music venue.

Three days later, he was confirmed as the state’s first coronavirus case.

And now a second case has been confirmed — a “close contact” of the patient’s — raising new questions about what should happen when suspected coronavirus patients ignore requests to self-quarantine.

The man, who had come down with flu-like symptoms after a trip to Italy, has now been officially ordered by New Hampshire’s health commissioner to isolate himself at home.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/us/coronavirus-new-hampshire-dartmouth.html

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1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  She did not know she was in Italy and that Coronavirus is a thing? There are thousands of Americans in self quarantine right now. They are not being questioned or monitored. They are being trusted to do the right thing. The measures we have in place currently only work if people voluntarily comply. She could have volunteered the information if they neglected to ask, and she knows that. She didn't want to.

Of course she knew, she was reporting on that topic. She was not symptomatic and is self isolating now that she is home. She is following CDC guidance. 

 

What should she say once landing?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[90DayFinancier 910]

1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

This guy decided it did not apply to him, and he was an employee at a medical facility.

 

By Farah Stockman

• March 6, 2020, 9:06 a.m. ET

BOSTON — When an employee of the Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center in New Hampshire showed signs of possible coronavirus last week, a medical worker who had examined him told him to avoid contact with others, pending further tests. Instead, he went to a mixer at a crowded music venue.

Three days later, he was confirmed as the state’s first coronavirus case.

And now a second case has been confirmed — a “close contact” of the patient’s — raising new questions about what should happen when suspected coronavirus patients ignore requests to self-quarantine.

The man, who had come down with flu-like symptoms after a trip to Italy, has now been officially ordered by New Hampshire’s health commissioner to isolate himself at home.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/us/coronavirus-new-hampshire-dartmouth.html

This is a different case, he had symptoms and advice and chose to ignore it.

 

This is why having reliable, widespread testing is essential.

Update for Julie's case, no fever, she gets on the plane.

 

 

Edited March 6, 2020 by 90DayFinancier
Update: in Julie's case,

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

This guy decided it did not apply to him, and he was an employee at a medical facility.

 

 

 

  We have pre screens at the hospital entrances with instructions for people who think they have been exposed. If one person makes it through without following that, everyone who comes in contact with that person will be subject to quarantine. We don't have a lot of extra people waiting around to fill shifts for all the people who won't be here, and this is going to be happening all over the country. Eventually there will be people who need medical help and won't be able to get it.

 

  The problem with this guys behavior is that all the other people who are going through self quarantine are doing it for nothing if just one person doesn't follow process. It's selfish, but I know people are going to do. I think we'll get to the point where they will eventually just get rid of quarantine because so many people will not be adhering, and so many people will have been exposed that there will be no reason to continue. We didn't have to end up that way, but it only took a few people not following protocol for this thing to get to the point where it is no longer possible to contain.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

25 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Of course she knew, she was reporting on that topic. She was not symptomatic and is self isolating now that she is home. She is following CDC guidance. 

 

What should she say once landing?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

    If they didn't ask, she could have informed them and ask what she needs to do. It is that simple. I can't imagine anyone flying out of Italy hasn't been informed of the situation and possible consequences. Even if it was security's fault and they dropped the ball, I don't believe she didn't know what to do. 

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16 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    If they didn't ask, she could have informed them and ask what she needs to do. It is that simple. I can't imagine anyone flying out of Italy hasn't been informed of the situation and possible consequences. Even if it was security's fault and they dropped the ball, I don't believe she didn't know what to do. 

Okay, and at that point, what would the folks at JFK do? Nothing. The point is this is the current system for folks without a fever.  All guidelines are being followed. That is what is significant.

 

 

Edited March 6, 2020 by 90DayFinancier

[Steeleballz 7,550]

6 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Okay, and at that point, what would the folks at JFK do? Nothing. The point is this is the current system for folks without a fever.  All guidelines are being followed. That is what is significant.

 

 

 

  If she arrived without symptoms but had been in contact with symptomatic people, she would be asked to self quarantine and monitor symptoms for 14 days. Just like everyone else. If she eventually tests positive, they will be able to contact people who she traveled with. 

 

Edited March 6, 2020 by Steeleballz