Coronavirus’s spread in U.S. is ‘inevitable,’ CDC warns

[yuna628 9,690]

WH is saying ''died last night" for the female patient. The press reports stated a teen died today. I think they are giving a briefing with old info, and that's a shame, but the Doctor is at least doing a good job to say that there can be cases of young persons passing. It is surprising though if this is the same boy, initial reports were odd - he just had this ''feeling'' he had it and I thought I read his symptoms were 'mild'.. but if you had mild symptoms why would you suspect you had it?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

18 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

WH is saying ''died last night" for the female patient. The press reports stated a teen died today. I think they are giving a briefing with old info, and that's a shame, but the Doctor is at least doing a good job to say that there can be cases of young persons passing. It is surprising though if this is the same boy, initial reports were odd - he just had this ''feeling'' he had it and I thought I read his symptoms were 'mild'.. but if you had mild symptoms why would you suspect you had it?

I think anyone right now with any out-of-the-ordinary symptoms might suspect the worst.

[yuna628 9,690]

3 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

I think anyone right now with any out-of-the-ordinary symptoms might suspect the worst.

I just got word last night a very wonderful doctor is very ill after returning home from an overseas trip. I really hope they are okay, and it's just the flu.

 

 

The WH is now acknowledging the discrepancy about who died, and are looking into it.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

10 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

I just got word last night a very wonderful doctor is very ill after returning home from an overseas trip. I really hope they are okay, and it's just the flu.

 

 

The WH is now acknowledging the discrepancy about who died, and are looking into it.

Too fast on the reporting, it seems.  The internetz here are different than in the US, so I'm not sure of the results, but I have now seen an online report of "over 50 and high risk" that seems to match what I caught on TV awhile ago.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

17 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Too fast on the reporting, it seems.  The internetz here are different than in the US, so I'm not sure of the results, but I have now seen an online report of "over 50 and high risk" that seems to match what I caught on TV awhile ago.

 

   They have said both younger male and older female, sometimes even in the same article.

 

55 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

WH is saying ''died last night" for the female patient. The press reports stated a teen died today. I think they are giving a briefing with old info, and that's a shame, but the Doctor is at least doing a good job to say that there can be cases of young persons passing. It is surprising though if this is the same boy, initial reports were odd - he just had this ''feeling'' he had it and I thought I read his symptoms were 'mild'.. but if you had mild symptoms why would you suspect you had it?

 

   I also read the person who died was in severe respiratory distress when they arrived at the hospital. It seems like they are either they are mixing up clinical information from two different patients, or that both may have died. The official statements will be released shortly.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

 

    Regardless of the press release, there would have to be strong suspicion that the virus has been circulating in the community for several days now in Washington and perhaps elsewhere along the west coast. The issue of containment is probably moot at this point.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   They have said both younger male and older female, sometimes even in the same article.

 

 

   I also read the person who died was in severe respiratory distress when they arrived at the hospital. It seems like they are either they are mixing up clinical information from two different patients, or that both may have died. The official statements will be released shortly.

Ok, so it's not just my internetz here, good to know.  Either way a tragedy, and hopefully not two deaths.  I don't think there have been any young deaths prior to this (mixed) report.  Imma go with the lady in her 50s.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 minute ago, Voice of Reason said:

Ok, so it's not just my internetz here, good to know.  Either way a tragedy, and hopefully not two deaths.  I don't think there have been any young deaths prior to this (mixed) report.  Imma go with the lady in her 50s.

 

    I agree. It is sad no matter who it is, but it would certainly be more alarming going forward if it was a younger person or if it was someone without any pre-existing health conditions.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

55 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

I think anyone right now with any out-of-the-ordinary symptoms might suspect the worst.

 

   I think people who say they always get lower respiratory symptoms from a cold need to be extremely vigilant now. There have been several recommendations for avoiding the virus given, but I think seeking medical attention early if someone starts to experience severe or unusual respiratory symptoms would also be critical. Many people have a tendency to take medicine and see how they feel in the morning, but the symptoms seem to progress very quickly with this. Not something people can wait and see on.

Edited February 29, 2020 by Steeleballz

[90DayFinancier 910]

9 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   I think people who say they always get lower respiratory symptoms from a cold need to be extremely vigilant now. There have been several recommendations for avoiding the virus given, but I think seeking medical attention early if someone starts to experience severe or unusual respiratory symptoms would also be critical. Many people have a tendency to take medicine and see how they feel in the morning, but the symptoms seem to progress very quickly with this. Not something people can wait and see on.

There was a failure at the CDC in this area that the health community will need a post mortem on after this stabilizes.

The guidance and distribution of the test kits was inconsistent,late and a flaw was found the the CDC kit. Why the WHO pattern was not copied is unknown. Sometimes Americans can be a bit provincial about these things.

Several noted epidemiologists are on the air today saying proactive testing of pneumonia patients and patients with unidentified flu strains is needed and the data must be centrally collated.

I have no idea how realistic this is, but they sounded convincing.

 

Note that the positive case if the teenager in Washington state (thankfully doing well) was very sick, treated by three clinics and then sent back to school.

 

Lessons all around.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 29, 2020 by 90DayFinancier

[Steeleballz 7,550]

20 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

There was a failure at the CDC in this area that the health community will need a post mortem on after this stabilizes.

The guidance and distribution of the test kits was inconsistent,late and a flaw was found the the CDC kit. Why the WHO pattern was not copied is unknown. Sometimes Americans can be a bit provincial about these things.

Several noted epidemiologists are on the air today saying proactive testing of pneumonia patients and patients with unidentified flu strains is needed and the data must be centrally collated.

I have no idea how realistic this is, but they sounded convincing.

 

Note that the positive case if the teenager in Washington state (thankfully doing well) was very sick, treated by three clinics and then sent back to school.

 

Lessons all around.

 

 

 

 

 

 

   We just got notification that we will likely get test kits in June. As I said before there is a reason for that. We can certainly make issue that we were not prepared as a nation, but it's hard to fault the CDC directly for not being able distribute 10000 test kits to 50000 testing facilities.

 

  We have been sending ours to the state DOH since this started and it's no different. They need clinical information to do the test because the supply of testing kits they had initially was not adequate to do the number of test requests they were receiving. They had to do the best to utilize a limited amount of resources to the best of their ability. Maybe we have become a bit spoiled or complacent as a country, but you can't just create the ability to respond to these situations out of thin air. Either you spend money to be prepared and have the facilities available or you don't. We didn't.

Edited February 29, 2020 by Steeleballz

[90DayFinancier 910]

13 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

 

   We just got notification that we will likely get test kits in June. As I said before there is a reason for that. We can certainly make issue that we were not prepared as a nation, but it's hard to fault the CDC directly for not being able distribute 10000 test kits to 50000 testing facilities.

 

  We have been sending ours to the state DOH since this started and it's no different. They need clinical information to do the test because the supply of testing kits they had initially was not adequate to do the number of test requests they were receiving. They had to do the best to utilize a limited amount of resources to the best of their ability. Maybe we have become a bit spoiled or complacent as a country, but you can't just create the ability to respond to these situations out of thin air. Either you spend money to be prepared and have the facilities available or you don't. We didn't.

..."the sickest of the rich"

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

40 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

 

   We just got notification that we will likely get test kits in June. As I said before there is a reason for that. We can certainly make issue that we were not prepared as a nation, but it's hard to fault the CDC directly for not being able distribute 10000 test kits to 50000 testing facilities.

 

  We have been sending ours to the state DOH since this started and it's no different. They need clinical information to do the test because the supply of testing kits they had initially was not adequate to do the number of test requests they were receiving. They had to do the best to utilize a limited amount of resources to the best of their ability. Maybe we have become a bit spoiled or complacent as a country, but you can't just create the ability to respond to these situations out of thin air. Either you spend money to be prepared and have the facilities available or you don't. We didn't.

Gotta put the money where it makes sense.  Budgeting for a disease that is unknown (and may never materialize) isn't necessarily the best way to do business.

Edited February 29, 2020 by Voice of Reason

[Steeleballz 7,550]

18 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

..."the sickest of the rich"

 

    There is always an issue with looking at part of the data. Instead of analyzing how much the USA spends on health care relative to other nations, perhaps look at how much we spend on cheeseburgers, fries and coke. There is relevant life expectancy data in that set as well.

 

    Not to over simplify, but much of US health care expenditure comes down to the simple fact that 90% of life time health care will statistically be spent in the last 6 months of life. Another way of saying that is we spend a lot of money on something that does not result in a change in overall outcome. We have some amazing and expensive technology that the majority of people don't access until it's too late. IMO, a shift to a model that encouraged better preventive care would shift  costdown and life expectancy up. Regardless of how well we respond (or don't) to the current crisis, it's questionable why we panic over something like a virus that has perhaps a 1% mortality, but avoid dealing with something like cardiovascular disease that kills ~25% of people.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

4 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Gotta put the money where it makes sense.  Budgeting for a disease that is unknown (and may never materialize) isn't necessarily the best way to do business.

 

    I agree. We could double the CDC's resources, but someone does have to pay for it. Right now everyone might say to do that, but six months ago we would have been complaining about higher taxes. There is a balance that we have to strike. We are ultimately better off than many other countries.