bringing my kids

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

1 minute ago, Willy Valdes said:

OK I SEE. i am married and we did not mention our kuds all along the process, because of the warning at the first lignes of the DS 260 application form

But your kids should all have been mentioned. You should have listed all your kids on your DS260, and your wife should have listed her kids and step kids, on her DS260. The warning was not to make you lie on the DS260!! The warning was to tell you not to proceed. What you should have done at that stage was abandon the application and enter again properly the following year.

 

For those here who are not familiar with DV, this is the warning referred to:

Important note: If you had a spouse or children prior to submitting your original entry, but you did not include them on your original entry form, then your case will be disqualified at the time of your visa interview. Neither you nor any of your family members will receive visas. If you listed a spouse or child on your original entry who was not your spouse or child at the time of entry; neither you, nor any of your family members, will receive visas. 

 

[Willy Valdes 0]

2 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

But your kids should all have been mentioned. You should have listed all your kids on your DS260, and your wife should have listed her kids and step kids, on her DS260. The warning was not to make you lie on the DS260!! The warning was to tell you not to proceed. What you should have done at that stage was abandon the application and enter again properly the following year.

 

For those here who are not familiar with DV, this is the warning referred to:

Important note: If you had a spouse or children prior to submitting your original entry, but you did not include them on your original entry form, then your case will be disqualified at the time of your visa interview. Neither you nor any of your family members will receive visas. If you listed a spouse or child on your original entry who was not your spouse or child at the time of entry; neither you, nor any of your family members, will receive visas. 

 

exactly. that is the warning

 

[Lemonslice 4,859]

24 minutes ago, Willy Valdes said:

exactly. that is the warning

 

So, you realize you should not have received your visa?  

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

OP has admitted they did wrong and (unlike many we see on VJ) have not tried to defend what they did. I am not sure of country of origin but I know there are a number of countries, particularly those where internet access is not widespread, where people have to travel to an Internet cafe and “agents” fill in DV entries for people. I would not be surprised if that is the type of person who OP said told him he didn’t need to add the kids, and that OP may not even have been able to read the original instructions himself as a result  (this doesn’t excuse the later actions). Unfortunately these “agents” have been responsible for a lot of problems with DV selectees. I’m not sure we need to be overly harsh to people who may not be as savvy, especially before arriving in the US, as many on these forums are.

[designguy 1,179]

What kind of "documents" do you need to list them in the application?

 

OP you and your wife immigrated to the US leaving your 3 year old son behind?

Edited February 25, 2020 by designguy

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

43 minutes ago, designguy said:

What kind of "documents" do you need to list them in the application?

 

OP you and your wife immigrated to the US leaving your 3 year old son behind?

You need photos, I think passport numbers too, but the application won’t submit without photos.

 

I am guessing you have been on these forums long enough to know countless immigrants, especially from developing countries, leave young children behind when they move. 

Edited February 25, 2020 by SusieQQQ

[designguy 1,179]

12 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

I am guessing you have been on these forums long enough to know countless immigrants, especially from developing countries, leave young children behind when they move. 

Its one thing when people are oblivious or scammed which happens so often, OP however, stated he knew the rules and proceeded to disregard them. People like this are the reason that those who legitimately try and immigrate to the US have such problems. On top of that to leave an infant behind with basically no chance of being able to bring them over is mind boggling. I agree with @Cathi that they deserve to have their immigration benefits revoked

 

 

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

5 hours ago, designguy said:

Its one thing when people are oblivious or scammed which happens so often, OP however, stated he knew the rules and proceeded to disregard them. People like this are the reason that those who legitimately try and immigrate to the US have such problems. On top of that to leave an infant behind with basically no chance of being able to bring them over is mind boggling. I agree with @Cathi that they deserve to have their immigration benefits revoked

 

 

We’ve all already piled on him for the fraud after the first ignorant/misled mistake. He clearly thought they could bring kids at some stage. now he’s realizing they can’t they are probably going to start preparing to go home anyway. 
And I disagree, people like this only create trouble for themselves. It’s mainly the ones who abuse B visas who cause trouble for others.  

[Naes 12,205]

I’m reading this same story too many times.
Is there a reason why people don’t want to add their children? Isn’t it easier to just bring them along when you win DV lottery?

 

PS_I’m really just curious at this point.

Edited February 25, 2020 by Naes

[Unlockable 7,314]

*** One post removed for TOS violation. Suggesting a specific fraudulent option, then saying that option is a violation of the TOS does not make it OK. It is still putting that fraudulent option "out there", which someone can use to move forward with committing fraud. The OP has been informed of his actions and must come to terms with the consequences. Any further advice should remain from a legal and procedural standpoint.

 

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[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

  People sometimes are advised to not mention children because some places ask for an affidavit of support for DV interviewees and if you have 3 kids and don't know someone in the US it get hard to get the visa.  Agents are all about getting you to use them to "help" you. Some even retain your entry info so you have to pay them a second fee to "collect" your winning entry.  I could tell some real horror stories about what was happening in Nigeria when it was still a participating country.  Leaving children with family is very common in some cultures.  Their concept of family is very extended compared to the US version.

[Crazy Cat 41,898]

6 minutes ago, NigeriaorBust said:

People sometimes are advised to not mention children because some places ask for an affidavit of support for DV interviewees and if you have 3 kids and don't know someone in the US it get hard to get the visa. 

Ohhh....That makes sense.....but so misguided for the US DV lottery.  Thanks for the explanation.  

Edited February 25, 2020 by missileman

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

10 minutes ago, NigeriaorBust said:

  People sometimes are advised to not mention children because some places ask for an affidavit of support for DV interviewees and if you have 3 kids and don't know someone in the US it get hard to get the visa.  Agents are all about getting you to use them to "help" you. Some even retain your entry info so you have to pay them a second fee to "collect" your winning entry.  I could tell some real horror stories about what was happening in Nigeria when it was still a participating country.  Leaving children with family is very common in some cultures.  Their concept of family is very extended compared to the US version.

It often happens earlier as well, when people have for example traveled to an Internet cafe to do it and don’t have the dependent with them to get the photo taken. Then the agent just wants their fee and gets them to do it anyway. Not everyone here understands that just being able to submit details and photo via the Internet involves travel and hassle for some people, not everyone has computers or sometimes even electricity at home to do it themselves; and those are the same people who tend to not have access to the rules, and often get swayed by people who “have done this thousands of times so know what we are talking about”. Not saying that happened in this case, but it definitely happens. Can’t justify it/excuse it but can understand it. Not everyone is internet savvy, not everyone is first world savvy, not everyone understands how serious it is to do this until it’s too late.

 

 

Edited February 25, 2020 by SusieQQQ

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

1 hour ago, Naes said:

I’m reading this same story too many times.
Is there a reason why people don’t want to add their children? Isn’t it easier to just bring them along when you win DV lottery?

 

PS_I’m really just curious at this point.

My understanding is it actually happens in a minority of cases, and they usually involve “agents”, as in the two examples above. 

[Crazy Cat 41,898]

2 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

Then the agent just wants their fee and gets them to do it anyway.

That is such a shame......it has such profound consequences for everyone involved......other than the agent.