My Immgrant visa was refused under the section INA 212(4)a public charge inadmissiblity [merged threads]

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

You know what, something occurs to me. Age of intending immigrant is one of the factors. Your father is 59, he will not (at normal retirement age) have 10 years worth of work (& therefore SS and Medicare contributions to make) before he retires. As your mother has never worked there is no reason to suppose she is going to start now. Your father is, effectively, 5-6 years away from retirement. would he do the same thing in the US as he has been? Does he have the funds to buy an existing going concern? Setting up a brand new business in a new country at that age is risky.
 

Effectively, that means they need to be able to fund their retirement as a couple in the US mostly with what they already have. Now - certainly, some people from developing countries have done well enough at home to be able to do that. Whether your parents can, is another issue. IF this is the issue. Again, hard to know.

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

2 minutes ago, vidash23 said:

This helps. But which assets do I need to use the applicant assets or the joint sponsors.

 

 

Come on, I didn’t even make you find it, I went and got it and copied and pasted it for you, the least you can do is actually bother to read it properly.

[vidash23 4]

2 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

You know what, something occurs to me. Age of intending immigrant is one of the factors. Your father is 59, he will not (at normal retirement age) have 10 years worth of work (& therefore SS and Medicare contributions to make) before he retires. As your mother has never worked there is no reason to suppose she is going to start now. Your father is, effectively, 5-6 years away from retirement. would he do the same thing in the US as he has been? Does he have the funds to buy an existing going concern? Setting up a brand new business in a new country at that age is risky.
 

Effectively, that means they need to be able to fund their retirement as a couple in the US mostly with what they already have. Now - certainly, some people from developing countries have done well enough at home to be able to do that. Whether your parents can, is another issue. IF this is the issue. Again, hard to know.

Well yes. My parents have funds in guyana which they can sell. And convert it to us dollars and take with them. 

Alot of real estate in Guyana 

And assets at the bank. 

 

Can this work to overcome the intelligibility 

 

Btw. Thank you for your help I really appreciate it. Tbh I'm really stressed and I'm confused atm. 

[vidash23 4]

3 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

Come on, I didn’t even make you find it, I went and got it and copied and pasted it for you, the least you can do is actually bother to read it properly.

I did read it. 

The stuff is talking about the person in question who is the joint sponsor assets 

 

Not the applicant so what I'm asking if the application assets can play a role in it. 

Because the letter that I received from the embassy is talking about some kind of proof that the applicant can show 

[vidash23 4]

This part I'm talking about 

[Boiler 45,940]

Well retiring to the US is an expensive proposition, did he explain how he was going to fund all this?

[vidash23 4]

This I'm taking about

[Just Paul 4,595]

so for you parents what does the number look like for all of their assets in USD?  Section 7 number 4?

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

34 minutes ago, vidash23 said:

I did read it. 

The stuff is talking about the person in question who is the joint sponsor assets 

 

Not the applicant so what I'm asking if the application assets can play a role in it. 

Because the letter that I received from the embassy is talking about some kind of proof that the applicant can show 

oh for heavens sakes 

it says

 

If your total household income does not meet the requirement, you may submit evidence of the value of your assets, the sponsored immigrant’s assets, and/or assets of a household member that can be used, if necessary, for the support of the intending immigrants. The value of assets of all of these persons may be combined in order to meet the necessary requirement.

[vidash23 4]

5 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

oh for heavens sakes 

it says

 

If your total household income does not meet the requirement, you may submit evidence of the value of your assets, the sponsored immigrant’s assets, and/or assets of a household member that can be used, if necessary, for the support of the intending immigrants. The value of assets of all of these persons may be combined in order to meet the necessary requirement.

I get what your saying. 

Thats what I screen shot and showed you.

 

So I'm asking if that could fix the issue. 

 

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

37 minutes ago, vidash23 said:

Well yes. My parents have funds in guyana which they can sell. And convert it to us dollars and take with them. 

Alot of real estate in Guyana 

And assets at the bank. 

 

Can this work to overcome the intelligibility 

 

Btw. Thank you for your help I really appreciate it. Tbh I'm really stressed and I'm confused atm. 

No one actually knows real numbers for any individual case, let’s do a back of the envelope.  poverty line for two people is like $25k a year or something but that is really tough and often means using benefits somewhere. Let’s say they can get away with I dunno $5k a month for rent food clothing transport healthcare (we couldn’t but maybe they live somewhere cheaper, but their healthcare cost IS going to be an issue) that’s $60k a year after tax they need, life expectancy say 85 ish that’s 25 years for your dad and 35 for your mom so say average 30 x $60k = $1.8m, clear and free after any taxes etc they may have to pay on it. Minimum. Does the CO actually need to see that much, I don’t know. Maybe the CO doesn’t need to see that but that’s what they’ll basically need to actually have a decent retirement in the US. Fact of the matter is that many better off people from developing countries do better retiring at home than in the US. I know people from my own home country that do that even after years of working in the US and getting citizenship etc. 

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

6 minutes ago, vidash23 said:

I get what your saying. 

Thats what I screen shot and showed you.

 

So I'm asking if that could fix the issue. 

 

I. Don’t. Know. What. The. Issue. Even Is.

IF it is just income ...

i don’t know the value of your parents assets

i don’t know where they plan to live

i don’t know if they plan to live on ramen or eat out at Michelin starred restaurants 

i don’t know if you plan to go to grad school in the US and need $100k for that or if you will be a hotshot Silicon Valley dude making six figures as soon as you graduate and support them

bottom line, I don’t know how long your piece of string is

this is rhetorical, please don’t actually answer any of these. You are going to have to figure it out with your parents.

Edited February 5, 2020 by SusieQQQ

[Just Paul 4,595]

27 minutes ago, vidash23 said:

So I'm asking if that could fix the issue. 

Money . . .

 

26 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

30 x $60k

$1,800,000 seems like a fair estimate.

[vidash23 4]

51 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

I. Don’t. Know. What. The. Issue. Even Is.

IF it is just income ...

i don’t know the value of your parents assets

i don’t know where they plan to live

i don’t know if they plan to live on ramen or eat out at Michelin starred restaurants 

i don’t know if you plan to go to grad school in the US and need $100k for that or if you will be a hotshot Silicon Valley dude making six figures as soon as you graduate and support them

bottom line, I don’t know how long your piece of string is

this is rhetorical, please don’t actually answer any of these. You are going to have to figure it out with your parents.

Oh okay. Yeah I understand. 

I think the best way to fix is is to take an immigration lawyer overseas to work on this 

[Boiler 45,940]

A lawyer can not change the facts, but will need to know the particulars of your situation. We do not.