form i-944 is going to affect ROC?

[monicavlad 1]

https://www.uscis.gov/i-944

 

so on this new form USCIS released this week they are requesting even your CREDIT SCORE.

 

does that gonna affect us who are removing conditions as well??

[Crazy Cat 42,033]

No. Public charge does not apply to Removal of Conditions.

Edited February 17, 2020 by missileman

[Loren Y 2,756]

Glad I missed that form, looks like a pain to fill out. I do like the part that I can include all my illegal income from drug dealing, prostitution, and other illegal activities so I can meet the Financial requirement. LOL never ceases to amaze me how they put together these forms....

 

Item Numbers 7. and 8. Identify whether any of the additional income comes from an illegal activity or source such as
proceeds from illegal gambling or illegal drug sales or other activities and identify the amount.

 

I mean really, what do you put there. Sold two keys of columbian pure last month for 30,000 dollars of income. Looks like I'm above the poverty level now....

Edited February 17, 2020 by Loren Y

[Athens 101]

What I am trying to figure out is if those applying for removal of condition will complete Form I-944 or its meant for those applying to adjust status only. 

[Just Paul 4,595]

Just now, Athens said:

What I am trying to figure out is if those applying for removal of condition will complete Form I-944 or its meant for those applying to adjust status only. 

No

Reread the thread.   Many threads and a chart on here too.

[Loren Y 2,756]

5 minutes ago, Athens said:

What I am trying to figure out is if those applying for removal of condition will complete Form I-944 or its meant for those applying to adjust status only. 

Nope, I read the form and instructions all the way thru, and it only applies to people ( Certain people only, there are exceptions) who are filing form I485 to adjust status. If you already did AOS your good.

 

From what I read it will mostly effect people who file AOS from a K1 visa, or who AOS after arriving on a tourist visa, student visa, etc. and decide to get married and stay.

 

@missileman here is another reason to show the CR1 is superior to the K1, you get to avoid this form completely.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Loren Y

[geowrian 22,338]

19 minutes ago, Loren Y said:

@missileman here is another reason to show the CR1 is superior to the K1, you get to avoid this form completely.

For now. The DOS rule (different than the DHS rule, but very similar) is being pushed to be implemented on the same date, and that uses a DS-5540. I don't know exactly what it looks like, but the expectation is it will be very similar to the I-944.

 

35 minutes ago, Loren Y said:

I mean really, what do you put there. Sold two keys of columbian pure last month for 30,000 dollars of income. Looks like I'm above the poverty level now....

I'm assuming they are wanting people to disclose their unauthorized work. On one hand, it can show self-sufficiency as you have skills to obtain a job (although being a coke dealer would be a bigger issue... 😆 ). On the other hand, I'm assuming some people will be reluctant to answer it honestly, which may or may not be held against them as a material misrep later.

Edited February 17, 2020 by geowrian

[Athens 101]

12 hours ago, Paul & Mary said:

No

Reread the thread.   Many threads and a chart on here too.

Correct, I read through and found out is not applicable for those removing condition. It’s almost time to remove condition. 

[Lucky2Lucky 2,526]

So I’ve been helping out our cousin and his (now) wife who arrived on k1, and are working on the I485, along with EAD and AP forms- this is my first time hearing this. It appears it must be submitted along with the I485, correct? (They will be submitting after 2/24- I see the website says to not submit prior to 2/24). The immigrant doesn’t have anything to her name- loans, debts, savings. Her husband (sponsor) and mother in law (co sponsor) do however and all are members of a household. So... to recap- this form now must be sent w the AOS from k1? If so I’ll be back to return with questions when we get to that point 🙂

[geowrian 22,338]

1 hour ago, Luckycuds said:

So I’ve been helping out our cousin and his (now) wife who arrived on k1, and are working on the I485, along with EAD and AP forms- this is my first time hearing this. It appears it must be submitted along with the I485, correct? (They will be submitting after 2/24- I see the website says to not submit prior to 2/24). The immigrant doesn’t have anything to her name- loans, debts, savings. Her husband (sponsor) and mother in law (co sponsor) do however and all are members of a household. So... to recap- this form now must be sent w the AOS from k1? If so I’ll be back to return with questions when we get to that point 🙂

Yes. The new I-864 and the I-944 must be sent for any AOS application filed on or after 2/24 (assuming they are subject to the public charge criteria, which all family-based applicants are).

[Lucky2Lucky 2,526]

5 minutes ago, geowrian said:

Yes. The new I-864 and the I-944 must be sent for any AOS application filed on or after 2/24 (assuming they are subject to the public charge criteria, which all family-based applicants are).

Thank you @geowrian I didn’t realize there is a new I-864 form as well- we’ve completed the “old” one- I’ll definitely go to the website and check it out- we filed the documents out about 2 weeks ago and he’s waiting on a few things before submitting it (like the medical docs) I’ll review that we have the most updated ones. 
 

On a side note I can only imagine how this will really affect and wonder how it will  limit immigration. Like i wonder how things are going to be weighted (ex. Having no debt (a positive) vs no English skills (a negative)) Maybe Discretion given to the individual officer doing the review.

[SalishSea 18,071]

8 minutes ago, Luckycuds said:

Maybe Discretion given to the individual officer doing the review.

As has always been the case.

[Duke & Marie 1,389]

3 hours ago, Luckycuds said:

 

On a side note I can only imagine how this will really affect and wonder how it will  limit immigration. Like i wonder how things are going to be weighted (ex. Having no debt (a positive) vs no English skills (a negative)) Maybe Discretion given to the individual officer doing the review.

Assuming it’s completed by the petitioner, I can’t see it having a positive effect on the AOS. 

 

Many sponsors might meet the income requirements, but once they disclose their bills/responsiblities such as mortgage, car loans and/or even tax debts, it will become highly apparent that many just can’t afford to sponsor people

[xillini 71]

21 hours ago, geowrian said:

I'm assuming they are wanting people to disclose their unauthorized work. On one hand, it can show self-sufficiency as you have skills to obtain a job (although being a coke dealer would be a bigger issue... 😆 ). On the other hand, I'm assuming some people will be reluctant to answer it honestly, which may or may not be held against them as a material misrep later.

Which is why it is highly recommended that "just answer what you are being asked", not divulging more information than what is requested. 

 

2 hours ago, Duke & Marie said:

Many sponsors might meet the income requirements, but once they disclose their bills/responsiblities such as mortgage, car loans and/or even tax debts, it will become highly apparent that many just can’t afford to sponsor people

This public charge is dated back to slavery era, where any slave who was able to get freedom "must demonstrate self-sufficiency" even if the owner wanted to release the slave to the freed, or "Manumission" [Search Public Charge in this link published by LSU law school scholar]. 

Not to mention, if slave is not able to demonstrate the self-sufficiency, then bond is required to be purchased to his/her merits by slave owner (and if you are a slave owner, then why would you pay for slave when you are already losing money since the slave at the time was part of financial asset, unless you, a slave owner, is very passionate to human right values and so on). 

 

So now, it is very clear that when someone supports "Make American Great Again" slogan, then we should know what that kind of America is meant by. 

 

Slavery in 1800 was a norm recognized by most countries and civlilizations, where slave owners proponents strongly supports. Now, it is even unthinkable to live under the world of slavery, so let's just assume that one day, there is no immigration office and laws, where moving to different country is not a privilege, but a mere right as free as we just travel to Las Vegas for vacation. Who knows, someday, history will record Trump and its MAGA supporters as a dark history of US as much as the history describes "the Southern Slavery Owners"

 

[Nikkif99uk 0]

i'm confused is the I-944 form to be filled out by the petitioner or beneficiary I'm confused. I am still awaiting NOA2 but was looking at the form when I do AOS I have to fill this in but how do you have a US credit score if you have only just moved to the US. I own a house in the UK and have a mortgage and deed of trust with my mum as she paid deposit. I also have student loan etc. Do I fill in this or my fiancee???