Dwyane Wade is proud to support his 12-year-old to live in her truth

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,394]

Most of you know I am what might be called a social liberal. I  support a woman's right to choose, up to a certain point. I support LGBT rights including gay unions.

 

but a 12 year old. ?  Jesus 

 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/entertainment/dwyane-wade-ellen/index.html

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

"identifying as a transgender"

 

"my/his/her truth"

 

Basically, the left's attack on science, and rationality.

Someone's subjective truth and identity is utterly meaningless. Where it gets really toxic is when it's imposed upon children. Disgusting.

Edited February 12, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[yuna628 9,758]

42 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Most of you know I am what might be called a social liberal. I  support a woman's right to choose, up to a certain point. I support LGBT rights including gay unions.

 

but a 12 year old. ?  Jesus 

 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/entertainment/dwyane-wade-ellen/index.html

Here is when I ask you a few questions.

 

When was the age of the first time when you realized that girls were pretty and you liked them? I mean the absolute earliest, even before puberty.

I suspect you might not give a second thought if your child at a young age started asking about girls/boys, or had a goofy childhood crush, would you? Of course you would tell them that it's entirely too young to date etc etc like most dutiful parents would. I certainly always knew I liked boys, and remember my first crush. A person that is gay will often say they knew from a young age, just the same as a straight child knows from a young age. Their parents or siblings or friends often recognize signs of that tendency from a young age too. They are also recognized by their peers in school who either accept or bully them.

 

Another example here: a person that is born intersex or ambiguous are often (especially in the old days) assigned the gender of female at birth and the parents were told to treat the child exclusively as a girl at all times. Well, in the majority of such cases, it didn't work so well. Despite the hormones, and the dresses, and the girly stuff - the kids knew that they were boys despite the gender they physically were 'made' into. What they ended up having was a very painful and confusing life, and in some cases ended up committing suicide as a result.

 

Do I believe that a parent, let alone a celebrity should be outing their child and using them as some poster cause? No. But do I believe a child can certainly be aware that they are gay? Of course they can. It happens all the time - what a parent chooses to do when their child confides in them how they feel can make or break their entire lives.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

The issue with this topic isn't about gayness, it's about reality avoidance, pandering to fantasy, and further, trying to socially coerce others to pander to it as well.

 

The idea of "intersex" is not one from science. Our genes quite clearly demonstrate there are two genders, and only two. The synthesis of science and social imagination (which is effectively what postmodernism seeks to do with this ridiculous "her/his truth" ) is on par with religion. So interestingly, when approached with science, these people have increasingly difficult time coping with reality, with actual diversity, and out comes the authoritarianism proving the prior statement about religion. It is tantamount to a mental and social illness, particularly when you see adults infecting their (and other people's) children with it. I regularly am engaged in my children's academic lives not just for their own success (the overwhelmingly important factor), but being a stakeholder in the success and growth of my children, I want to ensure that the things they're teaching them aren't on par with this lunacy. 

 

This is why for a political demographic, this sort of social movement is so desirable.. they don't like the stability peaceful society has brought, they want to turn over the tables and cause a mess.

 

There was a useful social movement that aimed to attack nonsensical gender stereotypes, largely because they diffuse individuals into nothing more than a binary category, especially in the realm of personality or consumption. But that movement has long passed. I remember when I grew up in SF, people just wanted to be themselves, and they were accepted for their quirkiness. They didn't want accolades or to force anyone to adhere, they just didn't want to be treated like garbage by the judgmental. I'm quite on board with this, even if the conservatives aren't. However, what we see today is both the implementation of wrecking ball, and a narcissistic left who want to feel special and accomplished by doing nothing whatsoever, which is why its some huge announcement that a basketball player's son, a child, feels like a girl, to which they cater to, possibly to an utterly caricatured, destructive and consequential end. There's nothing uncommon about a boy having social or consumption preferences that align more with people of the opposite gender than their own. But because people want to feel special about nothing, they have to make it special, so they invent a controversy out of it, try and impose upon others, and in others refusing to accept their demands, make this non-issue an issue. Goes right with the fabricated hate and outrage we're now seeing with regularity, the false accusations where we latch onto the person's identity and ignore logic. It's part of a larger destructive movement and should be treated as such.

Edited February 12, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Rosalind F 178]

1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

The issue with this topic isn't about gayness, it's about reality avoidance, pandering to fantasy, and further, trying to socially coerce others to pander to it as well.

 

The idea of "intersex" is not one from science. Our genes quite clearly demonstrate there are two genders, and only two. The synthesis of science and social imagination (which is effectively what postmodernism seeks to do with this ridiculous "her/his truth" ) is on par with religion. So interestingly, when approached with science, these people have increasingly difficult time coping with reality, with actual diversity, and out comes the authoritarianism proving the prior statement about religion. It is tantamount to a mental and social illness, particularly when you see adults infecting their (and other people's) children with it. I regularly am engaged in my children's academic lives not just for their own success (the overwhelmingly important factor), but being a stakeholder in the success and growth of my children, I want to ensure that the things they're teaching them aren't on par with this lunacy. 

 

This is why for a political demographic, this sort of social movement is so desirable.. they don't like the stability peaceful society has brought, they want to turn over the tables and cause a mess.

 

There was a useful social movement that aimed to attack nonsensical gender stereotypes, largely because they diffuse individuals into nothing more than a binary category, especially in the realm of personality or consumption. But that movement has long passed. I remember when I grew up in SF, people just wanted to be themselves, and they were accepted for their quirkiness. They didn't want accolades or to force anyone to adhere, they just didn't want to be treated like garbage by the judgmental. I'm quite on board with this, even if the conservatives aren't. However, what we see today is both the implementation of wrecking ball, and a narcissistic left who want to feel special and accomplished by doing nothing whatsoever, which is why its some huge announcement that a basketball player's son, a child, feels like a girl, to which they cater to, possibly to an utterly caricatured, destructive and consequential end. There's nothing uncommon about a boy having social or consumption preferences that align more with people of the opposite gender than their own. But because people want to feel special about nothing, they have to make it special, so they invent a controversy out of it, try and impose upon others, and in others refusing to accept their demands, make this non-issue an issue. Goes right with the fabricated hate and outrage we're now seeing with regularity, the false accusations where we latch onto the person's identity and ignore logic. It's part of a larger destructive movement and should be treated as such.

Here's a very informative page for you from the World Health Organization describing sex, gender, and complicated pathways determining biological sex. You can find information about intersex too! 

 

https://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,394]

5 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Here is when I ask you a few questions.

 

When was the age of the first time when you realized that girls were pretty and you liked them? I mean the absolute earliest, even before puberty.

I suspect you might not give a second thought if your child at a young age started asking about girls/boys, or had a goofy childhood crush, would you? Of course you would tell them that it's entirely too young to date etc etc like most dutiful parents would. I certainly always knew I liked boys, and remember my first crush. A person that is gay will often say they knew from a young age, just the same as a straight child knows from a young age. Their parents or siblings or friends often recognize signs of that tendency from a young age too. They are also recognized by their peers in school who either accept or bully them.

 

Another example here: a person that is born intersex or ambiguous are often (especially in the old days) assigned the gender of female at birth and the parents were told to treat the child exclusively as a girl at all times. Well, in the majority of such cases, it didn't work so well. Despite the hormones, and the dresses, and the girly stuff - the kids knew that they were boys despite the gender they physically were 'made' into. What they ended up having was a very painful and confusing life, and in some cases ended up committing suicide as a result.

 

Do I believe that a parent, let alone a celebrity should be outing their child and using them as some poster cause? No. But do I believe a child can certainly be aware that they are gay? Of course they can. It happens all the time - what a parent chooses to do when their child confides in them how they feel can make or break their entire lives.

I dont think anything was said about the child being gay. He wants to change genders, which at age 12, in my opinion is way to young to for him to be fully aware. He could be very profoundly influenced by all the media attention that subject is getting. If an adult wants to go down that road, fine by me. I would highly recommend some therapy and deep thought before making such a life altering decision.  I just dont think a 12 year old has the maturity, to just decide one day they want to change genders.

 

To be clear, being gay and being transgendered are 2 very different things. although I guess after becoming a female if they still like females that technically makes them gay. I know it gets confusing.

 

As for my sexual preference I have known I liked girls from a very early age. I remember getting girls to show me their private parts at a very early age. If i had known how much trouble they are, I might have chosen to be gay

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

4 hours ago, Rosalind F said:

Here's a very informative page for you from the World Health Organization describing sex, gender, and complicated pathways determining biological sex. You can find information about intersex too! 

 

https://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html

Thanks, but I don't see anything that refutes what I said. 

[Rosalind F 178]

24 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Thanks, but I don't see anything that refutes what I said. 

 

6 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

The idea of "intersex" is not one from science.

Are you trying to argue that the there is no such thing as "intersex" and people made it up?

6 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Our genes quite clearly demonstrate there are two genders, and only two.

Are you purposefully using the term "gender" when the term "sex" is more appropriate? 

 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

20 minutes ago, Rosalind F said:

 

Are you trying to argue that the there is no such thing as "intersex" and people made it up?

Are you purposefully using the term "gender" when the term "sex" is more appropriate? 

 

Gender and sex mean the same thing, even though there's a clear intent to blur them, and I use them as such. I'm not into the word play so don't bother.

 

Intersex is a dubious word used to describe, in its best usage, those with genetic abnormalities. Most of those circumstances of genetic abnormalities result in sterility so nature takes care of that part by itself. Those who happen to have extra chromosomes and the ability to bear children still possess a dominant gender and wind up procreating children the way those their dominant gender do, with normal X/Y chromosome determinants being passed on. There's no third or fourth gender being created.

 

Beyond that very minuscule circumstance, it's socially used to describe people who don't identify as their gender. An example of this absurdity is its usage to arbitrarily describe males who have the unfortunate circumstance of having extremely small appendages (like, micro-size), so perhaps they feel more effeminate (socially) because their male parts aren't big, even though they have all the genetic markers of a male, are clearly a male, and are not a female or anything else.

 

Situations like this topic are basically what this amounts to.. according to the story, a kid "came home" and decided to be another gender. That certainly has nothing to do with biology. It's a social issue, possibly a mental health issue, if someone's spurious decisions make them engage in irreversible damage to themselves, avoid dealing with what they are, which they can't change. Of children, it's tantamount to child abuse, depending on how much one permanently alters the child over this.

Edited February 12, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[yuna628 9,758]

2 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I dont think anything was said about the child being gay. He wants to change genders, which at age 12, in my opinion is way to young to for him to be fully aware. He could be very profoundly influenced by all the media attention that subject is getting. If an adult wants to go down that road, fine by me. I would highly recommend some therapy and deep thought before making such a life altering decision.  I just dont think a 12 year old has the maturity, to just decide one day they want to change genders.

 

To be clear, being gay and being transgendered are 2 very different things. although I guess after becoming a female if they still like females that technically makes them gay. I know it gets confusing.

 

As for my sexual preference I have known I liked girls from a very early age. I remember getting girls to show me their private parts at a very early age. If i had known how much trouble they are, I might have chosen to be gay

There's nothing in the article that states the child wants to physically change genders, but that they feel like they are a female. Typically this would mean, when they reach an adult age they may decide to change their gender or they may not. Whatever they are eventually comfortable with. I think that a 12 year old has the ability to know that they feel as if they are a female in a male body, or may have a same sex attraction, and many go on to make decisions about it when they reach maturity. You can look at a lot of literature on the subject to see similar cases. And many are required to go through some sort of therapy to help them decide that this is what they want. Therapy isn't going to exactly change their mind on the subject though, but may help them work through complex emotional issues they may have.

 

I certainly know an extremely feminine gay man that hasn't made the decision to change their gender. That is their preference, and while they've thought it could be a possibility some day, they are comfortable not choosing that yet. In their place of work they use a male name, but also have a female nickname with friends and family. You have always known that you a) felt like a man and b) were attracted to women from a young age. YOU made that decision for yourself even as a 12 year old. I don't see this as much different. I just don't think his parents need to drag him around to the media, but this is the culture we live in.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

How do they know they are a female in a male body? What if they're mistaken? What qualities make them a female? Might it be.. gender stereotypes?

Edited February 13, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[TBoneTX 46,426]

On 2/12/2020 at 5:02 PM, Rosalind F said:

using the term "gender" when the term "sex" is more appropriate

I adhere to the following distinctions:

  Gender (total, 3):  masculine, feminine, neuter

  Sex (total, 3):  male sex, female sex, insex