New Hampshire Democratic primary day results and news

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2 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Who cares about common sense or economic viability.    Sorry, I was cracking up just writing this.   

to be honest with you, I think sanders has the best chance because of his promises specifically. But I don't really think anyone can beat trump. I think someone like pete would be a massive landslide for trump, even more so, because of his inability to capture anybody except white people as seen in the polls. Its sad for all who arent republicans but, obviously beating an incumbent, especially someone with the base like trump, is hard. 

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2 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

What is so laughable is all of the leading candidates saying the Party would unite at the end of the nomination process.  Wishful thinking I believe as if Bernie is not anointed this time, his supporters are not going to unite for anyone with a "D" next to their name.

in fact I think they will not vote at all or will vote for trump. IRightfully so in my opinion, epecially after hillary. 've said before, my husband likes bernie but he will vote for trump in the general because he knows the dnc will not allow it and orefers trump over any of the other idiots in the democratic party 

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24 minutes ago, mandsophia said:

in fact I think they will not vote at all or will vote for trump. IRightfully so in my opinion, epecially after hillary. 've said before, my husband likes bernie but he will vote for trump in the general because he knows the dnc will not allow it and orefers trump over any of the other idiots in the democratic party 

This is a respectable approach. Voting for an individual > voting for a party. Hillary is the result of allowing a party to decide things for people.

 

It's why I've been an independent for my near 20 years of adult life and will never be otherwise.

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2 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

This is a respectable approach. Voting for an individual > voting for a party. Hillary is the result of allowing a party to decide things for people.

 

It's why I've been an independent for my near 20 years of adult life and will never be otherwise.

About the only time I have not voted for a Republican candidate for President was 2012 when I voted libertarian . I just could not stomach Mittens 

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1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

About the only time I have not voted for a Republican candidate for President was 2012 when I voted libertarian . I just could not stomach Mittens 

Ahh, you went Johnson too? 

 

Regarding the parties of Presidential candidates, I've voted for Independent/Green (1x), Libertarian (2x),  Democrat (2x).

 

Funny enough, 2012 would've been the first general I'd have voted for a Republican but Ron Paul didn't have a running mate, which isn't something a serious candidate would do, so I went with my second choice in Johnson (who had, if I remember correctly, just bailed on the GOP). I never trusted Romney, nor McCain (even tried to like Obama in 2008 but he was a fraud, especially re:surveillance/spying), and everyone here already knows what I think about GWB, and (as someone that's part of a military family including my own dad) I can't even express my true thoughts about him within the constraints of the forum rules so won't bother. Funny enough, I've met some of these people (at an old job of mine we'd regularly have celebrities/musicians/singers and politicians over for speeches or performances), even the traitor McCain, and they're nice in person, but complete piles of garbage in the political world. While to some degree we all have a public and private persona, they're usually not much different.. for these people, however, it is. 

 

That being said, even though I've always been an independent (non party affiliated, or in California was called Decline to State, not the "independent party").. full disclosure, I was far more left leaning than now, notwithstanding the overton window shifting left. However, even at that stage, I still didn't like illegal immigration (never did), so the first time I ever voted for a Republican at any level was when Gray Davis moved to issue licenses to illegals, so I voted for his recall and for Arnold. In my amazing 20/20 hindsight, I could've picked a better candidate.

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10 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Indeed they're playing moderates when looking at it from the Democrat perspective and particularly against Sanders. Even as far as "democratic socialists" (social democrats) are concerned, he's more of a socialist than most European leaders. No doubt, the ideas of "$22/hr minimum wage", "open borders" and all the other freebies and lunatic ideas from Warren/Buttigieg are nowhere near moderate, but they aren't that different than what Amy, Joe, and Tulsi are offering. Tulsi comes off as a moderate because she hasn't been a front runner and not attacked much, but as someone who has followed Tulsi, she does have some serious leftist grassroots, and ties to Antifa, which would become more front and center if she were to suddenly become a contender (which seems unlikely at this point). Not saying she's as far as Bernie, but she's right in the pack with all the others. She and Bernie are probably among the least "corrupt" and most consistent, which is why Hillary hates her so much.

You are right about Tulsi, I see she is picking up the UBI torch from Andrew Yang.

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16 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

You are right about Tulsi, I see she is picking up the UBI torch from Andrew Yang.

She's not alone, they're all desperate to make lofty promises they can't deliver on. What I've noticed is, Tulsi is able to position herself via the marketed "authenticity" (and use her status as military) to moderates and people leaning right who are allegedly anti-establishment. I've seen people on the left make fun of it because the "Tulsi=moderate" angle is mostly a 20-35 year old male segment. It's that obvious. I really want to like Tulsi, she's very attractive, is a good speaker with an authentic swagger, she has a handful of views I personally happen to agree with (though conservatives would not like some of them), but I've seen sufficient evidence (including focus group studies as she and her strategists were researching whether to angle herself as a leftist or a moderate) as I first began to weigh her as a candidate last year that there's too much difference between her policy (how she's voted, led, who she's around in respect to how it influences her policy choices) and "perception" (what she's trying to tell people she is). This is why I stress "policy" over "perception", even though people are more likely to follow the perception carrot. If they've gotten you to bite on perception, they can change policy on a whim and abracadabra, you don't notice or don't care.

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22 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

She's not alone, they're all desperate to make lofty promises they can't deliver on. What I've noticed is, Tulsi is able to position herself via the marketed "authenticity" (and use her status as military) to moderates and people leaning right who are allegedly anti-establishment. I've seen people on the left make fun of it because the "Tulsi=moderate" angle is mostly a 20-35 year old male segment. It's that obvious. I really want to like Tulsi, she's very attractive, is a good speaker with an authentic swagger, she has a handful of views I personally happen to agree with (though conservatives would not like some of them), but I've seen sufficient evidence (including focus group studies as she and her strategists were researching whether to angle herself as a leftist or a moderate) as I first began to weigh her as a candidate last year that there's too much difference between her policy (how she's voted, led, who she's around in respect to how it influences her policy choices) and "perception" (what she's trying to tell people she is). This is why I stress "policy" over "perception", even though people are more likely to follow the perception carrot. If they've gotten you to bite on perception, they can change policy on a whim and abracadabra, you don't notice or don't care.

Sadly she falls in to the same category as Bernie, no way the Swamp will let her be the candidate.

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9 hours ago, Boiler said:

Sadly she falls in to the same category as Bernie, no way the Swamp will let her be the candidate.

Plus she is a Russian plant according to one prominent politician.

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Some of my liberal acquaintances are already claiming Russian interference in the 2020 election, and that Trump won’t win legitimately.  Talk about getting out in front of their TDS!!

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On 2/11/2020 at 9:59 PM, Boiler said:

Liz is not doing well, presumably not many Reservations in NH.

Exactly so -- the state's largest tribe, the Casino Indians, has endorsed other candidates.

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On 2/13/2020 at 11:41 AM, ALFKAD said:

Some of my liberal acquaintances are already claiming Russian interference in the 2020 election, and that Trump won’t win legitimately.  Talk about getting out in front of their TDS!!

I think you misunderstand what TDS means, it's a term for those devoted to the dear leader no matter what, not those rightfully opposing him. 

 

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TDS

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51 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

I think you misunderstand what TDS means, it's a term for those devoted to the dear leader no matter what, not those rightfully opposing him. 

 

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TDS

Nice try, but no.  TDS refers people who hate him SO MUCH that they cannot see admit he has done much good for America.  Yanno, people who are deranged into thinking everything orange is bad.

 

But I give props to KrunchKote for turning the acronym around last August.

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27 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

Nice try, but no.  TDS refers people who hate him SO MUCH that they cannot see admit he has done much good for America.  Yanno, people who are deranged into thinking everything orange is bad.

 

But I give props to KrunchKote for turning the acronym around last August.

I actually like orange things, see my name. I think Trump is a complete idiot though. 

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I just read that Bloomberg wants Hillary as his VP....🤣🤣.