Does illegal immigration upset you big time too?

[bowflex 0]

bowflex ,

i'm w/ you 100% on everything you've said.

i can't believe people on this site going thru the immigration process legally, don't second all of your opinions.

I'm actually surprised as well

[Jenn! 918]

bowflex ,

i'm w/ you 100% on everything you've said.

i can't believe people on this site going thru the immigration process legally, don't second all of your opinions.

It's been pointed out many times in this thread, but for some people like me, having done it the legal way doesn't make me feel special, superior, or proud. I don't see why there should be a correlation between having gone through the legal immigration process and one's stance on illegal immigration.

[bowflex 0]

Also keep in mind when I started this thread, it was about families who were KNOWINGLY illegal immigrants, and admitted to it, fleeing to churches for sanctuary when they were to be deported. I know the issue goes much much deeper, but in the cases where the folks are marching and have admitted to coming in illegally, they should be given no rights or opportunities. They should have gone to those marches, gathered up everyone, and sent them back to their countries. There are so many people in this country locked up for petty drug crimes and such, yet you don't see the public outcry saying that it isn't logical to lock them all up.

There is nothing that's going to "promote" illegal immigration more than a government that isn't willing to actually punish those who do it.

[mrsserendipity 0]

let's also not forget illegal immigrants are not only from mexico. you will be excusing people of many different races and beliefs...good people and people wishing harm. you are making things easy for ANYONE to come into the country. not all illegal immigrantion is from poor countries. mexicans can just come on over the border, but everyone else... they have money for plane tickets or however they chose to arrive. plus once you're here, from mexico or not, you need to have SOME money or you'd just go from being poor there to being poor here. go to your nearest immigration center, seek asylum, seek refugee, seek protection.

if your only issue with your country was that you were poor, how do you plan on making money here if you come empty handed with no money for a roof over your head, food, water, traveling to work, etc? they have SOME money. and furthermore, there are organizations that are there to help. go to someone. they can help you with paperwork, housing, etc. start a NEW life. not the same one over again.

[bowflex 0]

bowflex ,

i'm w/ you 100% on everything you've said.

i can't believe people on this site going thru the immigration process legally, don't second all of your opinions.

It's been pointed out many times in this thread, but for some people like me, having done it the legal way doesn't make me feel special, superior, or proud. I don't see why there should be a correlation between having gone through the legal immigration process and one's stance on illegal immigration.

Maybe if you went through a much longer process and had to actually fight to get it rather than waiting under a year, you'd understand where some of us are coming from. My wife and I went through circumstances in our case that hardly anyone else here had, and that's including a Consul that didn't give us the time of day, then lied, then purposely took extra time to admit to a mistake, and then we even had to wait longer than most just to mail the Visa after it was approved.

My wife's family did absolutely everything correctly for 15 years and were still denied, and then you have someone feeling they're above the law or put themselves in front of others who have been waiting patiently to do it the right way. It is a priviledge to enter this or any country, and those who enter illegally make it seem like it's their right, which it clearly is not.

[Jenn! 918]

bowflex ,

i'm w/ you 100% on everything you've said.

i can't believe people on this site going thru the immigration process legally, don't second all of your opinions.

It's been pointed out many times in this thread, but for some people like me, having done it the legal way doesn't make me feel special, superior, or proud. I don't see why there should be a correlation between having gone through the legal immigration process and one's stance on illegal immigration.

Maybe if you went through a much longer process and had to actually fight to get it rather than waiting under a year, you'd understand where some of us are coming from.

I doubt it. I think it's a personality/political stance thing.

Edited June 15, 2007 by jenn3539

[smoke20 0]

bowflex ,

i'm w/ you 100% on everything you've said.

i can't believe people on this site going thru the immigration process legally, don't second all of your opinions.

It's been pointed out many times in this thread, but for some people like me, having done it the legal way doesn't make me feel special, superior, or proud. I don't see why there should be a correlation between having gone through the legal immigration process and one's stance on illegal immigration.

jenn, its not about being special, superior, or proud. its about you doing it properly & legally. and other knowingly brakeing the law & getting a pass. BTW you are special & should be proud of yourself!!

[bowflex 0]

bowflex ,

i'm w/ you 100% on everything you've said.

i can't believe people on this site going thru the immigration process legally, don't second all of your opinions.

It's been pointed out many times in this thread, but for some people like me, having done it the legal way doesn't make me feel special, superior, or proud. I don't see why there should be a correlation between having gone through the legal immigration process and one's stance on illegal immigration.

Maybe if you went through a much longer process and had to actually fight to get it rather than waiting under a year, you'd understand where some of us are coming from.

I doubt it. I think it's a personality/political stance thing.

Typically when someone fights so hard for something, their views change. Fighting an immigration war, not even a battle, for 15 years would change a lot of opinions. Her parents did more for the United States and know more than most Americans do and it still wasn't good enough, yet someone sneaks over and then figures it's now their right to become a citizenship is complete #######.

[mrsserendipity 0]

when the bill came out, the illegal immigrants were not even happy with THAT. they still wanted things easier and faster.

they want amnesty.

what about the people with mental illness who break the law? they still get punished. really anyone can make excuses for their behavior and doings. these people know they are doing something wrong. heck people make excuses they are mental just to get out of situations. there are excuses for EVERYTHING nowadays. let's stop. you give amnesty to them...other groups will follow.

[Udella&Wiz 325]

Here is some food for thought. This was written by a retired US Border Patrolman. It really made me stop and think. I actually took the time to go research some of his points and he is dead on.

Dear Senator Frist:

There is a huge amount of propaganda and myths circulating about illegal aliens, particularly illegal Mexican, Salvadorian, Guatemalan and Honduran aliens.

1. Illegal aliens generally do NOT want U.S. citizenship. Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a U.S. citizen. Mexicans, and other nationalities want to remain citizens of their home countries while obtaining the benefits offered by the United States such as employment, medical care, in-state tuition, government subsidized housing and free education for their offspring. Their main attraction is employment and their loyalty usually remains at home. They want benefits earned and subsidized by middle class Americans. What illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence without paying the price.

2. There are no jobs that Americans won't do. Illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans can't take and still support their families. Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens in a single residence home, share expenses and send money to their home country. There are no jobs that Americans won't do for a decent wage.

3. Every person who illegally entered this nation left a home. They are NOT homeless and they are NOT Americans. Some left jobs in their home countries. They come to send money to their real home as evidenced by the more than 20 billion dollars sent out of the country each year by illegal aliens. These illegal aliens knowingly and willfully entered this nation in violation of the law and therefore assumed the risk of detection and deportation. Those who brought their alien children assumed the responsibility and risk on behalf of their children.

4. Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy. Illegal aliens constitute less than 5% of the workforce. However, they reduce wages and benefits for lawful U.S. residents.

5. This is NOT an immigrant nation. There are 280 million native born Americans. While it is true that this nation was settled and founded by immigrants (legal immigrants), it is also true that there is not a nation on this planet that was not settled by immigrants at one time or another.

6. The United States is welcoming to legal immigrants. Illegal aliens are not immigrants by definition. The U.S. accepts more lawful immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined.

7. There is no such thing as the "Hispanic vote". Hispanics are white, brown, black and every shade in between. Hispanics are Republicans, Democrats, Anarchists, Communists, Marxists and Independents. The so-called "Hispanic vote" is a myth. Pandering to illegal aliens to get the Hispanic vote is a dead end.

8. Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I Mexico allowed German Spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy on the U.S. During World War II Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the U.S. from Mexico. During the Cold War Mexico allowed spies hostile to the U.S. to operate freely. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across Mexico. Today Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole California, Arizona, new Mexico and Texas. If you don't believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their schoolchildren.

9. Although some illegal aliens enter this country for a better life, there are 6 billion people on this planet. At least 1 billion of those live on less than one dollar a day. If wanting a better life is a valid excuse to break the law and sneak into America, then let's allow those one billion to come to America and we'll turn the USA into a Third World nation overnight. Besides, there are 280 million native born Americans who want a better life. I'll bet Bill Gates and Donald Trump want a better life. When will the USA lifeboat be full? Since when is wanting a better life a good reason to trash another nation?

10. There is a labor shortage in this country. This is a lie. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of American housewives, senior citizens, students, unemployed and underemployed who would gladly take jobs at a decent wage.

11. It is racist to want secure borders. What is racist about wanting secure borders and a secure America? What is racist about not wanting people to sneak into America and steal benefits we have set aside for legal aliens, senior citizens, children and other legal residents? What is it about race that entitles people to violate our laws, steal identities, and take the American Dream without paying the price?

For about four decades American politicians have refused to secure our borders and look after the welfare of middle class Americans. These politicians have been of both parties. A huge debt to American society has resulted. This debt will be satisfied and the interest will be high. There have already been riots in the streets by illegal aliens and their supporters. There will be more. You, as a politician, have a choice to offend the illegal aliens who have stolen into this country and demanded the rights afforded to U.S. citizens or to offend those of us who are stakeholders in this country. The interest will be steep either way. There will be civil unrest. There will be a reckoning. Do you have the courage to do what is right for America? Or, will you bow to the wants and needs of those who don't even have the right to remain here?

There will be a reckoning. It will come in November of this year, again in 2008 and yet again in 2010.

We will not allow America to be stolen by third world agitators and thieves.

David J. Stoddard

U.S. Border Patrol (RET)

Hereford, Arizona

He served this country first in the Army for 30 years and then 27 years as a border patrolman.

[LaL 418]

bowflex ,

i'm w/ you 100% on everything you've said.

i can't believe people on this site going thru the immigration process legally, don't second all of your opinions.

It's been pointed out many times in this thread, but for some people like me, having done it the legal way doesn't make me feel special, superior, or proud. I don't see why there should be a correlation between having gone through the legal immigration process and one's stance on illegal immigration.

Maybe if you went through a much longer process and had to actually fight to get it rather than waiting under a year, you'd understand where some of us are coming from. My wife and I went through circumstances in our case that hardly anyone else here had, and that's including a Consul that didn't give us the time of day, then lied, then purposely took extra time to admit to a mistake, and then we even had to wait longer than most just to mail the Visa after it was approved.

My wife's family did absolutely everything correctly for 15 years and were still denied, and then you have someone feeling they're above the law or put themselves in front of others who have been waiting patiently to do it the right way. It is a priviledge to enter this or any country, and those who enter illegally make it seem like it's their right, which it clearly is not.

hey well if thats the case - my K1 did take more than a year and we had the SAME CO that you did in Montreal, and stateside we are waiting even longer to complete AOS. Still does not make me feel the way you do. This is a political item, and a highly emotional one at that.

Jenn - I agree with you 100%. Not everyone going the "legal" route feels this way.

[~Nini~ 2]

bowflex ,

i'm w/ you 100% on everything you've said.

i can't believe people on this site going thru the immigration process legally, don't second all of your opinions.

It's been pointed out many times in this thread, but for some people like me, having done it the legal way doesn't make me feel special, superior, or proud. I don't see why there should be a correlation between having gone through the legal immigration process and one's stance on illegal immigration.

Definitely agreed. While there may be some resentment towards those that choose to skip across the border, I don't find their tactics being punished by the US government, which is the bigger issue here. I certainly don't agree with the leniency given to the illegal immigrants in the US. I certainly don't agree that the illegal immigrants should feel that they can bypass the law simply because they're looking for a better life in the States, whatever their various reasons are.

I think what Udella&Wiz put up certainly makes a strong point. There are a lot of myths in place about the state of illegal immigrants and certainly that does put a bias on things. A well-written book I read about the US/Mexico border, the Devil's Highway, pointed out that not every single illegal immigrant was looking to become a citizen, or even live there, they just wanted to make some money to bring home to their families, and they were willing to put their lives at stake in order to do that.

If we're going to argue about illegals who cross the border without intent of staying permanently, I do believe that the US government should take a closer look at perhaps granting those a temporary work permit so that they have at least some legal paperwork for employment. Bowflex has made a really good point that the US government is basically promoting illegal immigration if they won't do anything about it. There are various job sectors where the companies shrug and go, "Let's employ these illegals under the table and exploit them because they want to make more money here than they can back home." And the US government, from a political standpoint, won't recognize the issue and won't attempt to regulate that kind of behavior.

Again, it doesn't make it right for people to think that they can bypass the laws and procedures in place. But there are always some extreme cases where some who are fleeing their home country to seek political asylum or refugee status are absolutely desperate and will do anything in order to secure their freedom. And while from a paper and budget standpoint we can say that they've broken the law and we should deport them, what about from a moral standpoint? There was a news story about a woman and her children who were living in the Moscow airport for ten months while waiting for the go-ahead from the Canadian government to be granted legal refugee status. They got to move to Canada, but in a way it was really bittersweet.

[mrsserendipity 0]

bowflex ,

i'm w/ you 100% on everything you've said.

i can't believe people on this site going thru the immigration process legally, don't second all of your opinions.

It's been pointed out many times in this thread, but for some people like me, having done it the legal way doesn't make me feel special, superior, or proud. I don't see why there should be a correlation between having gone through the legal immigration process and one's stance on illegal immigration.

Maybe if you went through a much longer process and had to actually fight to get it rather than waiting under a year, you'd understand where some of us are coming from. My wife and I went through circumstances in our case that hardly anyone else here had, and that's including a Consul that didn't give us the time of day, then lied, then purposely took extra time to admit to a mistake, and then we even had to wait longer than most just to mail the Visa after it was approved.

My wife's family did absolutely everything correctly for 15 years and were still denied, and then you have someone feeling they're above the law or put themselves in front of others who have been waiting patiently to do it the right way. It is a priviledge to enter this or any country, and those who enter illegally make it seem like it's their right, which it clearly is not.

hey well if thats the case - my K1 did take more than a year and we had the SAME CO that you did in Montreal, and stateside we are waiting even longer to complete AOS. Still does not make me feel the way you do. This is a political item, and a highly emotional one at that.

Jenn - I agree with you 100%. Not everyone going the "legal" route feels this way.

and what exactly DO you feel? just that they should stay? do some research, look over some laws, read people's stories, read the FACTS. i haven't heard one good argument for illegal immigration in this thread, just that they FEEL they should be able to stay and get citizenship. there are sob stories ALL over the world. as bowflex's wife, which people seem to mention a few times, i have gone through it a long time. i did not give up just because i had the bad luck of getting a bad apple from the government branches. at NO point have i EVER been illegal, unlawful, or undocumented. we came to the US 1991 with one suitcase for the entire family of four. i have sob stories you wouldn't believe. would it have been easier for me to just sneak over? of course! and if there were NO other options, and illegal immigration was THE last resort...THERE ARE APPLICATIONS THAT DO NOT REQUIRE A LEGAL STATUS. give me one good reason for not filing anything at all? there are organizations to help new immigrants with paperwork, housing, all sorts of things. THEY SIMPLY DO NOT SEEK THEM

[mrsserendipity 0]

say they do give the illegal immigrants already in the US amnesty. what about the people who are going to the come in the future? what about them? the way the bill was written they would have to go back to their country first and file for the visa. what about the new illegal immigrants if all this passes? you think they're going to go and say hey i just came over illegally, can i go back now and apply for the visa? why not just apply while you are already in the country?

none of it makes sense. what happens to them? if they didn't file for a visa to begin with, why would people expect them to come illegally, say hey i'm illegal, then have to go back just to apply for the new visa?

[smoke20 0]

mrsserendipity, we're beating a dead horse. noone is going to change anyones minds in here. its obvious some people don't understand the difference between a "politcal view point" & the law. i wonder how many people with the "amnesty for all" stance on this issue, actually live in a place affected by illegal immigrants. i live in the south, i see it first hand not on a news show. i think if some of these peoples lives were affected by the illegal population their "political point of view" or sence of right & wrong would be different.