Does illegal immigration upset you big time too?

[udlike2no2 0]

I don't think the point of the movie V was to be on the side of the fascist government.

NO but I think its time for a third party!!!!!

[bowflex 0]

Where are you going to get the money to beggar 11 million people and deport them? It's not as though we're going to suspend due process and just run a truck around picking up everyone who looks Hispanic or suitably brown (plenty of illegal immigrants aren't Hispanic, yet oddly none of the rhetoric seems to worry about them.) As I'm sure you know from your wife's circumstances, people have a right to a hearing, they have a right to appeal the hearing, if they lose that, then there's a deportation order and until that time, we can't just throw people in jail. If you're advocating no due process, then the miscarriage of justice is likely to be far, far worse.

If we started deportation hearings for everyone tomorrow, it would be years upon years before the appeals wound their ways through the system.

People who entered the country illegally have absolutely NO right to due process, as they are not a citizen or a recognized member of our society. They should not be jailed or anything like that, they should be sent home, and the payment for these flights or transportation would be received by liquidating absolutely all of their assets that they accrued while being in the country illegally.

I am not going against just Mexicans or Hispanics at all. If someone illegally immigrated from Canada to the United States, my stance would be the exact same for them. My wife's folks had the right to appeals and hearings because they were legally involved with the process, and all of the work they did submitting forms and money entitles them to those rights.

The bottom line should be: "Did you enter the country illegally?" and if the answer is yes, you transport them immediately, then after they're out of the country, you go to their home, sell everything in it, sell the home, and recoup any such debts that were attained by sending them away.

Edited June 15, 2007 by bowflex

[Dan J 277]

I'd think something like liquidating all of the person's assets and any equities they've accrued by working in America illegally would start teaching people lessons.

Hum what a new idea you mean like they do now to US citizens that are criminals take and seize their stuff? What's good for one should be good for all.

My dad is a cop in Phila and did you know that they can't even ask anyone that they think is an illegal alien because of there rights. Wow I thought we had rights because we were citizens?

Hum its getting crazy out there know wonder I liked that movie V so much. Watch it its great.

All people here legally or illegally have right to due process. We could suspend it by classify all illegal aliens and enemy combatants, but that would get icky. And V really has no relation to the current situation.

[bowflex 0]

I'd think something like liquidating all of the person's assets and any equities they've accrued by working in America illegally would start teaching people lessons.

Hum what a new idea you mean like they do now to US citizens that are criminals take and seize their stuff? What's good for one should be good for all.

My dad is a cop in Phila and did you know that they can't even ask anyone that they think is an illegal alien because of there rights. Wow I thought we had rights because we were citizens?

Hum its getting crazy out there know wonder I liked that movie V so much. Watch it its great.

All people here legally or illegally have right to due process. We could suspend it by classify all illegal aliens and enemy combatants, but that would get icky. And V really has no relation to the current situation.

There is NO due process for someone that illegally entered the country. They broke the law, they shouldn't be here, that should come with a lifetime ban with no appeal and be sent away illegally. By anyone who's entered the country with a Visa or such, there is PLENTY of documentation to prove that you entered legally. If someone can't produce this proof or flat out admits to entering illegally, they are entitled to leave, nothing more.

[Dan J 277]

Where are you going to get the money to beggar 11 million people and deport them? It's not as though we're going to suspend due process and just run a truck around picking up everyone who looks Hispanic or suitably brown (plenty of illegal immigrants aren't Hispanic, yet oddly none of the rhetoric seems to worry about them.) As I'm sure you know from your wife's circumstances, people have a right to a hearing, they have a right to appeal the hearing, if they lose that, then there's a deportation order and until that time, we can't just throw people in jail. If you're advocating no due process, then the miscarriage of justice is likely to be far, far worse.

If we started deportation hearings for everyone tomorrow, it would be years upon years before the appeals wound their ways through the system.

People who entered the country illegally have absolutely NO right to due process, as they are not a citizen or a recognized member of our society. They should not be jailed or anything like that, they should be sent home, and the payment for these flights or transportation would be received by liquidating absolutely all of their assets that they accrued while being in the country illegally.

I am not going against just Mexicans or Hispanics at all. If someone illegally immigrated from Canada to the United States, my stance would be the exact same for them. My wife's folks had the right to appeals and hearings because they were legally involved with the process, and all of the work they did submitting forms and money entitles them to those rights.

The bottom line should be: "Did you enter the country illegally?" and if the answer is yes, you transport them immediately, then after they're out of the country, you go to their home, sell everything in it, sell the home, and recoup any such debts that were attained by sending them away.

Two things, what would the recourse be for someone wrongfully accused of entering illegally if they go straight to deportation? It could be easily abused, I say you entered illegally, off with you.

And how many people here illeagally acutally have sizable assets? And how do you get them with a job that makes not much more than minimum wage?

[smoke20 0]

karen, you took that way personally. i did not mean to offend you, or anyone else. i was just stating facts. when the "white man" came here it was not a country, it was an unsettled territory. not a country w/ a gov't, social services, an economy etc.(a nation). sorry the "white man" took land from native american tribes. i believe they have been appoligized to & compensated. as well as benifited in many other ways from the "white mans" country they built here. we are talking about illegal immigration into a nation. not taking land from native tribes. noone said it was right for the "white man". to do what they did, but everyone here has benifited.

[Dan J 277]

I'd think something like liquidating all of the person's assets and any equities they've accrued by working in America illegally would start teaching people lessons.

Hum what a new idea you mean like they do now to US citizens that are criminals take and seize their stuff? What's good for one should be good for all.

My dad is a cop in Phila and did you know that they can't even ask anyone that they think is an illegal alien because of there rights. Wow I thought we had rights because we were citizens?

Hum its getting crazy out there know wonder I liked that movie V so much. Watch it its great.

All people here legally or illegally have right to due process. We could suspend it by classify all illegal aliens and enemy combatants, but that would get icky. And V really has no relation to the current situation.

There is NO due process for someone that illegally entered the country. They broke the law, they shouldn't be here, that should come with a lifetime ban with no appeal and be sent away illegally. By anyone who's entered the country with a Visa or such, there is PLENTY of documentation to prove that you entered legally. If someone can't produce this proof or flat out admits to entering illegally, they are entitled to leave, nothing more.

The point of due process is for the goverment to prove in a court of law that you actually broke a law. Otherwise whats to stop me from calling you an illegal immigrant and getting you deproted when your not actually that? We have to go through due process or there is no recourse for those wrongfully accused.

[mrsserendipity 0]

I'd think something like liquidating all of the person's assets and any equities they've accrued by working in America illegally would start teaching people lessons.

Hum what a new idea you mean like they do now to US citizens that are criminals take and seize their stuff? What’s good for one should be good for all.

My dad is a cop in Phila and did you know that they can’t even ask anyone that they think is an illegal alien because of there rights. Wow I thought we had rights because we were citizens?

Hum its getting crazy out there know wonder I liked that movie V so much. Watch it its great.

not in this area. there was a story about a guy who was waiting for his paperwork, took longer than usual, but he had papers, then he got pulled over by the police for speeding, they suspected he didnt have papers and he didnt have his visa on him, they deported him 2 days before his wedding.

there are so many stories of them not caring about paperwork. they didn't ask me. then they took my passport when they invaded my home, then they asked for it knowing full well they took it. it was a mess. but did i just run away or hide? no. i still did the right thing.

and my country of birth ISN"T EVEN A COUNTRY ANYMORE. it is now serbia, who by the way said since i'm not serbian they will not ACCEPT me "back" and denied us entry. but the US didn't care.

regardless of my LEGAL story, i do feel for them. i simply hate excuses. they had options. and not only before they came, but once they were here illegally.

took me a few more years, but here i am a permanent resident. you have to fight, you have to try, keep trying. don't hide, don't run. i go to bed at night knowing i did the right thing and now i have nothing to worry about as far as immigration works. i know i never have to hide in a church. and one day my husband and i are going to have kids, but we would never have had one before i knew i finally had things in order. that would've been selfish.

[bowflex 0]

Two things, what would the recourse be for someone wrongfully accused of entering illegally if they go straight to deportation? It could be easily abused, I say you entered illegally, off with you.

And how many people here illeagally acutally have sizable assets? And how do you get them with a job that makes not much more than minimum wage?

It would be as easy to prove as show me your SS #, valid entry papers, and a visa/any other applicable documentation that's needed for entry. My wife has been advised many times that she needs to carry her Visa on her at all times, and she does, and when we're not out she knows exactly where it is. In the unlikely event that the documents are lost, it will be the person's immediate responsibility to file for new paperwork, in which they would be issued a receipt that their documents are indeed in the works, and that would solve that problem. Proving someone entered illegally is not as hard as proving someone is a terrorist or has broken another law. "Show me your documents" and if you have nothing, good bye.

Plane tickets and such are not that expensive, and the people will be living somewhere. For every illegal immigrant obviously all the money might not be recouped, but I'm willing to bet after all are deported it will be extremely close to breaking even.

Also every law can be easily abused, but that is why we have a system of checks and balances to try to hold those accountable who do such things.

[mrsserendipity 0]

It's hard to say, bowflex. I feel for your wife's family, but what seems to drive my sympathy is not that 'they did it legally' but that it's so damn hard to get political asylum. Increasing scrutiny on immigrants I fear only leads to more denials in asylum cases.

I think the time does matter. If we had the resources to deport people as soon as they crossed the border, I would say, 'deport!' It would be swift, certain, and just a few weeks out of their lives. But we don't, and deporting an otherwise honest hard-working person after twenty years doesn't seem just. (It doesn't seem just to deport your wife's family either, but deporting illegals won't make the asylum cases easier.) I don't think that deporting 11 million people is a realistic option.

Plus, it's hard to say what would happen if Yugoslavia had bordered the U.S. I can imagine that people might have been desperate enough to skip the border, too.

THEY STILL WOULD HAVE HAD OPTIONS.

YOU DO NOT NEED A LEGAL STATUS TO FILE FOR ALL APPLICATIONS.

fine, come here illegally cause of poor conditions. but then FILE. SOMETHING. refugee, asylum. humanitarian and compassionate. just to name a few.

[bowflex 0]

The point of due process is for the goverment to prove in a court of law that you actually broke a law. Otherwise whats to stop me from calling you an illegal immigrant and getting you deproted when your not actually that? We have to go through due process or there is no recourse for those wrongfully accused.

The due process involves being showed documentation that the person is here legally, and anyone who has come across on this site certainly has an abundance of that. Homeland Security is already full of abusers of power, and this needs to be looked into and those who did it should pay, but there is no reason that someone is entitled to any due process when they're 100% guilty of coming illegally.

[Dan J 277]

The point of due process is for the goverment to prove in a court of law that you actually broke a law. Otherwise whats to stop me from calling you an illegal immigrant and getting you deproted when your not actually that? We have to go through due process or there is no recourse for those wrongfully accused.

The due process involves being showed documentation that the person is here legally, and anyone who has come across on this site certainly has an abundance of that. Homeland Security is already full of abusers of power, and this needs to be looked into and those who did it should pay, but there is no reason that someone is entitled to any due process when they're 100% guilty of coming illegally.

And showing that is part of due process. You want to get rid of that which means getting rid of any way of proving that you are here legally.

[udlike2no2 0]

What would you say to a poor inner-city person who has a poor family and are not doing well and has not much food, clothing, medical or shelter and is a US citizen. So now they go and break the law and sell drugs to help there family and get arrested? I know you would say lets give them asylum right or would you say they had other ways of doing things right and legal????

[bowflex 0]

The point of due process is for the goverment to prove in a court of law that you actually broke a law. Otherwise whats to stop me from calling you an illegal immigrant and getting you deproted when your not actually that? We have to go through due process or there is no recourse for those wrongfully accused.

The due process involves being showed documentation that the person is here legally, and anyone who has come across on this site certainly has an abundance of that. Homeland Security is already full of abusers of power, and this needs to be looked into and those who did it should pay, but there is no reason that someone is entitled to any due process when they're 100% guilty of coming illegally.

And showing that is part of due process. You want to get rid of that which means getting rid of any way of proving that you are here legally.

No I want to get rid of them having the right to appeal or appear in front of a court. You show it to a licensed, approved, and trained official that comes to you with evidence that you're not. There is no reason to spend the money on courts and judges and fees when they have nothing and didn't respect the system enough to warrant being a part of it.

[smoke20 0]

bowflex ,

i'm w/ you 100% on everything you've said.

i can't believe people on this site going thru the immigration process legally, don't second all of your opinions.