filing N 400 online 1 day early in 2020

[xyz12345 260]

58 minutes ago, santiagosilva said:

Still seems like the online system should be smarter than that. Even when you try to book plane tickets online , it won't let you book too far into the future, not to mention that it would be easy to just put as a notice "dates are in XYZ standard time".

And again, the only document(s) that says '2/4' is the payment receipt email, and the priority date.  every other place , on THEIR PAGE(s), incl the PDF that is the application form, that THEY create,  says '2/5'. If I was still in the programming world, i would've deemed this a bug, and use ONE date over all the different scripts (or w/e they use nowadays). 

 

 

I'm just curious if I'm going to have to wait the full 10 months to find out, like those people in 2018/2019, or if, like other parts of the process, have been updated.

 

 

And for the record , not to pass bucks or anything, but I ALSO got legal advice , who said that because of my case, that I should be applying ASAP as possible. I said I was tired of paperwork (after having one n400 denied, and an extra long i751 process that only finished ~3 months ago) and I said I'd wait at least a few months, but he said that I had "too many x factors, and if my case ever came up for review, that my  LPR status could possibly be compromised, + since evidence goes lost, papers fade, peoples memories of events disappear  etc, it could be hard to prove if asked, all the different circumstances surrounding my marriage / divorce". (Not to mention that I play in a band that tours abroad quite a bit, and that opens up another set of X-Y-Z factors that could put my me in a situation where i could have my LPR status cancelled.)

 

 

And for another record, in my "9-5", I actually work w clients where I often (not always, but often)  need security clearances from FBI, CIA and other agencies. I've lost a lot of clients, due to not having my citizenship.

 

And for a third and final record, I thought that like when i filed paper back in 2018, that it would take a day or 2 to find all the proof and info to complete the forms . The online one basically cut all the paper in half. I thought I'd be having to come back and let it sit, but all of a sudden, I was asked if I was finished and wanted to submit. And I didn't  want the page to time out, or info to get lost w/e.  (when i looked at the PDF of the form, basically 1/3-1/2 of the questions i remember answering in 2018 were left empty)

If I understand you correctly, you already had one n-400 applic that was denied? And you were not denied then for early filing? Then you wouldn't have this problem for this present applic then.

[santiagosilva 8]

6 minutes ago, Amadia said:

Two things:

- As a person who is in IT, I know that timestamps are locale to where the system servers are so their timestamp on the the receipt notice would be in line with the timezone of that state. I'm thinking it's Missouri but I could be wrong.

- I fully understand not getting to do stuff based on not having citizenship.....I have restrictions with my current job because of it.

And one thing doesn't exclude the other. You could set one standard time zone, (in all scripts)  as most companies do, even if they're in wherever in the world. and just go by XYZ time zone. 

Or again, state on the page what time zone is in play  

 

As I said, I just hope I don't have to wait the full 10 months.

 

@xyz12345  first n400 was filed under 3yr marriage, w i751 still pending .   now filing under 5yrs.

[geowrian 22,337]

The best advice is never do anything on the first day eligible. Whether you are in the right or not doesn't matter so much if it causes you anxiety, hassle, or possibly more. There is no good reason why waiting at least 1 more day is not possible.

 

1 hour ago, santiagosilva said:

Still seems like the online system should be smarter than that. Even when you try to book plane tickets online , it won't let you book too far into the future, not to mention that it would be easy to just put as a notice "dates are in XYZ standard time".

And again, the only document(s) that says '2/4' is the payment receipt email, and the priority date.  every other place , on THEIR PAGE(s), incl the PDF that is the application form, that THEY create,  says '2/5'. If I was still in the programming world, i would've deemed this a bug, and use ONE date over all the different scripts (or w/e they use nowadays). 

Should the system be better built to handle this? Sure, IMO. At the very least, should they provide said notice? Yeah, also IMO.

At the same time, it was an assumption that their system would record your time in local time.  It's not an unreasonable assumption, but it is an assumption.

 

Well, defect....not necessarily a bug. What is built might match what was defined in the requirements, so it would not be a coding error (bug) in that case. We don't know what was defined in the requirements document.

 

I won't go into what is used in that particular application. My company has worked on some systems with USCIS/DHS so I could probably take a good guess, but I don't want to misspeak.

 

1 hour ago, santiagosilva said:

I'm just curious if I'm going to have to wait the full 10 months to find out, like those people in 2018/2019, or if, like other parts of the process, have been updated.

Only way you will know for sure is when they tell you it's approved or not.

[xyz12345 260]

9 minutes ago, santiagosilva said:

And one thing doesn't exclude the other. You could set one standard time zone, (in all scripts)  as most companies do, even if they're in wherever in the world. and just go by XYZ time zone. 

Or again, state on the page what time zone is in play  

 

As I said, I just hope I don't have to wait the full 10 months.

 

@xyz12345  first n400 was filed under 3yr marriage, w i751 still pending .   now filing under 5yrs.

my mistake. i didn't see the divorce issue.

[santiagosilva 8]

2 minutes ago, geowrian said:

The best advice is never do anything on the first day eligible. Whether you are in the right or not doesn't matter so much if it causes you anxiety, hassle, or possibly more. There is no good reason why waiting at least 1 more day is not possible.

 

Should the system be better built to handle this? Sure, IMO. At the very least, should they provide said notice? Yeah, also IMO.

 

Well, defect....not necessarily a bug. What is built might match what was defined in the requirements, so it would not be a coding error (bug) in that case. We don't know what was defined in the requirements document.

Right?

If nothing else because THEIR system generates all the automatic PDF's, and all of  them have different dates. (well one anyway. )  If nothing else, it looks unprofessional. If I was still a developer, I'm sure my boss would've said "why do all these documents have different dates, when my client(s) say they filed on the same date? FIX IT OR DON'T GET PAID!"

 

Heck one time, my one "boss".. and I use that term loosely... said to "Fix the computer! The back looks like a snake pit."  (he meant there were too many cables hooked up between the CPU, screen , printers, keyboard, etc. and to him it didn't look professional. ) 

  I can only Imagine what he would've said if dates were wrong on different time stamps. They made designs for cellphone parts in CAD for Nokia (amongst others). ( Again, this was in the 90's )

 

 

 

 

[geowrian 22,337]

9 minutes ago, santiagosilva said:

Right?

If nothing else because THEIR system generates all the automatic PDF's, and all of  them have different dates. (well one anyway. )  If nothing else, it looks unprofessional. If I was still a developer, I'm sure my boss would've said "why do all these documents have different dates, when my client(s) say they filed on the same date? FIX IT OR DON'T GET PAID!"

 

Heck one time, my one "boss".. and I use that term loosely... said to "Fix the computer! The back looks like a snake pit."  (he meant there were too many cables hooked up between the CPU, screen , printers, keyboard, etc. and to him it didn't look professional. ) 

  I can only Imagine what he would've said if dates were wrong on different time stamps. They made designs for cellphone parts in CAD for Nokia (amongst others). ( Again, this was in the 90's )

100% agree, if all in-house. That would not fly.

When I was the lead developer in a university's department, that kind of stuff not being fixed right away would make me, my bosses, my devs, etc. look incompetent.

 

I would assume that the implementation of the online filing of the N-400 was an integration effort across at least a few different teams. All of which have people saying "not my problem".

The "boss" needing to tell somebody to fix it would be somebody removed from the technical details.

Edited February 7, 2020 by geowrian

[santiagosilva 8]

3 minutes ago, geowrian said:

100% agree, if all in-house. That would not fly.

When I was the lead developer in a university's department, that kind of stuff not being fixed right away would make me, my bosses, my devs, etc. look incompetent.

 

I would assume that the implementation of the online filing of the N-400 was an integration effort across at least a few different teams. All of which have people saying "not my problem".

The "boss" needing to tell somebody to fix it would be somebody removed from the technical details.

you're probably right!  And because there's probably only ~ 50 / year that this happens too, and it's easy to just sweep that amount under the rug, and blame the user.  

 

As I work nights, to match other countries time zones................I do a lot of my paperwork and finances / bill pay at night.  That's partially why I figured it was perfect to apply when I did, and have done LITERALLY everytime there's an online option in life.

If you would've told me that USCIS in 2020 had a flawed system like this, I wouldn't have believed you.  Especially since business hours are over in puerto rico, when Guam hasn't even started serving egg mcmuffin yet     This is why it would be good to be extra clear , as to what time zone we're going by.

 

Enough ramble ....  

 

I guess I'll just keep waiting to see.

 

[Giovanna024 442]

2 hours ago, santiagosilva said:

Still seems like the online system should be smarter than that. Even when you try to book plane tickets online , it won't let you book too far into the future, not to mention that it would be easy to just put as a notice "dates are in XYZ standard time".

And again, the only document(s) that says '2/4' is the payment receipt email, and the priority date.  every other place , on THEIR PAGE(s), incl the PDF that is the application form, that THEY create,  says '2/5'. If I was still in the programming world, i would've deemed this a bug, and use ONE date over all the different scripts (or w/e they use nowadays). 

 

 

I'm just curious if I'm going to have to wait the full 10 months to find out, like those people in 2018/2019, or if, like other parts of the process, have been updated.

 

 

And for the record , not to pass bucks or anything, but I ALSO got legal advice , who said that because of my case, that I should be applying ASAP as possible. I said I was tired of paperwork (after having one n400 denied, and an extra long i751 process that only finished ~3 months ago) and I said I'd wait at least a few months, but he said that I had "too many x factors, and if my case ever came up for review, that my  LPR status could possibly be compromised, + since evidence goes lost, papers fade, peoples memories of events disappear  etc, it could be hard to prove if asked, all the different circumstances surrounding my marriage / divorce". (Not to mention that I play in a band that tours abroad quite a bit, and that opens up another set of X-Y-Z factors that could put my me in a situation where i could have my LPR status cancelled.)

 

 

And for another record, in my "9-5", I actually work w clients where I often (not always, but often)  need security clearances from FBI, CIA and other agencies. I've lost a lot of clients, due to not having my citizenship.

 

And for a third and final record, I thought that like when i filed paper back in 2018, that it would take a day or 2 to find all the proof and info to complete the forms . The online one basically cut all the paper in half. I thought I'd be having to come back and let it sit, but all of a sudden, I was asked if I was finished and wanted to submit. And I didn't  want the page to time out, or info to get lost w/e.  (when i looked at the PDF of the form, basically 1/3-1/2 of the questions i remember answering in 2018 were left empty)

I gave you My answer regarding my situation, probably because you applied ONLINE you will be denied at Interview. 

 

[santiagosilva 8]

2 minutes ago, Giovanna024 said:

I gave you My answer regarding my situation, probably because you applied ONLINE you will be denied at Interview. 

 

Sorry , that was a rhetorical question, not specifically aimed at you    I should've been more clear. Thanks for all your input .

[Giovanna024 442]

1 minute ago, santiagosilva said:

Sorry , that was a rhetorical question, not specifically aimed at you    I should've been more clear. Thanks for all your input .

You Quoted me in your Post. Anyway Good Luck!

[Georgia16 2,858]

2 hours ago, Amadia said:

Two things:

- As a person who is in IT, I know that timestamps are locale to where the system servers are so their timestamp on the the receipt notice would be in line with the timezone of that state. I'm thinking it's Missouri but I could be wrong.

- I fully understand not getting to do stuff based on not having citizenship.....I have restrictions with my current job because of it.

Not MO time because I live in MO and applied at 8 am and time stamp on the e mail said 5 am. 

[santiagosilva 8]

10 minutes ago, Georgia16 said:

Not MO time because I live in MO and applied at 8 am and time stamp on the e mail said 5 am. 

My  email receipt said 9:44pm 2 / 4/ 20 , while in my email, it said that same email came in 1:44am 2 / 5/ 20. That particular time, is Hawaii.

My online account, says everything came in on the 5th.

 

I'm guessing, since Hawaii is the western most state... they use that time....?  (since guam isn't a state, just a territory)

[Georgia16 2,858]

3 minutes ago, santiagosilva said:

My  email receipt said 9:44pm 2 / 4/ 20 , while in my email, it said that same email came in 1:44am 2 / 5/ 20. That particular time, is Hawaii.

My online account, says everything came in on the 5th.

 

I'm guessing, since Hawaii is the western most state... they use that time....?  (since guam isn't a state, just a territory)

I just looked again it said 4 am so that fits with Hawaii time which is 4 hours from MO time where I'm at. 

[geowrian 22,337]

40 minutes ago, santiagosilva said:

I'm guessing, since Hawaii is the western most state... they use that time....?  (since guam isn't a state, just a territory)

That's my understanding as well.

17 hours ago, geowrian said:

From what I've seen, they tend to record the time based on the last time zone within the US (Hawaii). Don't hold me to that, but that's what I recall off-hand.

[Highmystic 234]

11 hours ago, Giovanna024 said:

Hello, Since i Filled Paper on Dec 30 (instead of Dec 31st) I got rejection notice on January 14th with returned package to my attorney's office and he Filled again on January 16th via FedEx and then I got NOA, they returned everything with cashiers check at once. 

I would assume you are lucky! The IO, for the AOS stated do NOT file even a day early, they will deny your package and keep the money with a thank you.   At any rate, when she applies for her ROC,  we can wait 24 or 48 hours, as since it takes a year to get anything done, a day or two won't much matter.