Iowa Caucuses

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

I don't think the Russians care who occupies the WH, they just want political chaos.  I am sure they had plans for both Trump and Hillary depending on who won in 2016.

 

  IMO, I think they care to the extent that they don't want to deal with politicians who have taken the hard line with them in the past. They don't like Clinton, but they didn't like McCain or Romney either. It's not based on political affiliation, just self interest. 

 

  If they don't like either candidate, I'm sure then they would want chaos. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

33 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Russians don't like Hillary. If the Russian government was going to endorse a single presidential candidate, we already know who that candidate is.

Yeah, but Obama is all termed out already.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

9 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

Yeah, but Obama is all termed out already.

 

   The Russian government preferred Obama to McCain at the time. That hope and change line worked on a lot of people. For a while.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

8 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   The Russian government preferred Obama to McCain at the time. That hope and change line worked on a lot of people. For a while.

I knew what you meant, was just yanking your chain.  
 

I do differ on the Clinton vs Trump preference, however.  Russia has already proven that Clinton can be bought and paid for.  Trump, not so much.  

[Steeleballz 7,550]

8 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

I knew what you meant, was just yanking your chain.  
 

I do differ on the Clinton vs Trump preference, however.  Russia has already proven that Clinton can be bought and paid for.  Trump, not so much.  

 

  Clinton has pissed of Putin several times in the past. She was secretary of state when the Magnitsky act passed. That cost Putin financially. She also compared him to Hitler over Crimea, which he did not take well on a personal level. IDK if Russian could have bought and paid for Clinton, but I know Putin just doesn't like her, and I don't think they were expecting anything positive. I think the appeal of Trump was being more benign on foreign policy and especially being non interventionist. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Clinton has pissed of Putin several times in the past. She was secretary of state when the Magnitsky act passed. That cost Putin financially. She also compared him to Hitler over Crimea, which he did not take well on a personal level. IDK if Russian could have bought and paid for Clinton, but I know Putin just doesn't like her, and I don't think they were expecting anything positive. I think the appeal of Trump was being more benign on foreign policy and especially being non interventionist. 

Good analysis.

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On 2/4/2020 at 5:50 PM, Bill & Katya said:

the Iowa results [...] Elizabeth Warren

One exceptionally telling fact:  Warren did not win a single delegate in Pocahontas County!  

[Dashinka 24,888]

Apparently, Jill Stein was in Iowa last Monday.

 

Democratic Party chairman calls for Iowa recount
 

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-02-06/2020-iowa-caucus-recount

[Orangesapples 1,954]

On 2/5/2020 at 8:28 AM, mandsophia said:

they're gonna push buttigieg now. He will get zero votes among African Americans. I was reading into the things he has done in south bend and he is not a good person at all. Its really sad. Like I've said, I am not trump's biggest fan at all but the GOP is not wrong when they say that the dems want the government to run everything but cannot even handle the caucus of iowa. I wish that was not the case and the US could benefit from some socialized benefits like healthcare, pension, maternity leave that are successful in other first world countries. But I'm starting to think it will just not work here with these dems in charge and the republicans are right. Needs an entire overhaul of the democratic party imo 

Bernie's camp has been very well organized actually. 

[Orangesapples 1,954]

On 2/5/2020 at 9:15 AM, ALFKAD said:

I knew what you meant, was just yanking your chain.  
 

I do differ on the Clinton vs Trump preference, however.  Russia has already proven that Clinton can be bought and paid for.  Trump, not so much.  

Saudi Arabia has definitely bought Trump, that's why he vetoed a resolution that would have ended U.S. military assistance in Saudi Arabia’s war in Yemen where Saudi Arabia is committing a genocide :

 

https://apnews.com/1b17cee217b344d8a3a03642139fb606

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/top-11-favors-trump-administration-has-done-saudi-arabia-n1026926

 

https://amp.axios.com/saudi-lobbyists-trump-international-hotel-2016-election-3c1ade29-4406-47b4-b20b-81fe05b6af68.html

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/481789-trump-supporters-flooded-iowa-hotline-increasing-delays-report

 

Trump supporters flooded Iowa hotline, increasing delays

In a text message to Bloomberg, Trump campaign spokesman Tim Murtaugh said: “Don’t know anything about that but maybe Democrats should consider using an app of some kind next time."

[mandsophia 160]

buttigieg demanded a recount and said the delegates were unfairly distributed lol after it was showing he was going to lose. Its interesting Tom Perez decided today after sanders was pulling through that NOW it was time for a recount. Not 3 days ago when the results should have been released. If this was a republican system, there would be outrage on all news outlets about election fixing. My god 

 

How about the dems get rid of this bs system and count one vote as one vote in a primary, popular vote wins. 

 

Buttigieg is becoming super unlikable and a sore loser 

Edited February 6, 2020 by mandsophia

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Liz Warren Finishes In 5th Place In Pocahontas County, Iowa

 

https://dailycaller.com/2020/02/05/liz-warren-iowa-caucus-pocahontas/

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1 hour ago, Orangesapples said:

Saudi Arabia has definitely bought Trump, that's why he vetoed a resolution that would have ended U.S. military assistance in Saudi Arabia’s war in Yemen where Saudi Arabia is committing a genocide :

Yes.  You nailed it.  Saudi Arabia has bought Trump!  I wonder what the price tag was?  

 

Meanwhile, under Obama:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-security/obama-administration-arms-sales-offers-to-saudi-top-115-billion-report-idUSKCN11D2JQ

[Orangesapples 1,954]

10 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

Yes.  You nailed it.  Saudi Arabia has bought Trump!  I wonder what the price tag was?  

 

Meanwhile, under Obama:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-security/obama-administration-arms-sales-offers-to-saudi-top-115-billion-report-idUSKCN11D2JQ

It certainly has, he's their puppy:

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-saudi-arabia-financial-interests-ties-hotel-bookings-sales-2018-10?amp

 

What does Obama have to do with this? No one here is defending Obama and his drone strikes. Also, supposedly Trump could not be bought. Then why does he let Saudi Arabia massacre Yemeni children after Congress tried to stop them? Nothing to see here folks. 

Edited February 6, 2020 by Orangesapples