E. Jean Carroll, who says Trump raped her seeks his DNA to test against sample from her dress

[Steeleballz 7,550]

10 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

If anyone touched her clothing, their DNA is on said clothing.  Maybe yours is.  Maybe mine?  Who's to say...

 

     I think the point is having your DNA on someones clothing would negate the claim that you never met them. 

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

14 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

If anyone touched her clothing, their DNA is on said clothing.  Maybe yours is.  Maybe mine?  Who's to say...

Very possibly! That's why doing discovery is really important to determine whether he touched her dress or not. It isn't even about the alleged rape, really -- it's about Trump saying nope, don't know her, she's lying to sell books. But if he didn't know her, why would his DNA be on the dress, if in fact it is (and it may not be)? I don't know enough about DNA technology to say well, testing can say it's got to be semen or saliva or skin cells, so I won't opine on that aspect. Eliminating the possibility it is him is what discovery is for. 

7 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   I have a red dress shirt and acid washed jean jacket from 30 years back. I never wear them, but I try them on every few years when I'm sorting through my closet for stuff to donate.

I am judging you for that acid wash. I do not know how I had the perspicacity as a tween and teenager, at the height of all things acid wash, to avoid the stuff, but I did. I do have a hoodie from 1984 that I still wear occasionally (made in the USA and in tip top condition), a tee shirt from the JV softball team I was on in 1990, and a sun-faded flannel of similar vintage that I can juuuuust about wear still. Alas, all have been laundered many, many times. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

30 minutes ago, elmcitymaven said:

Very possibly! That's why doing discovery is really important to determine whether he touched her dress or not. It isn't even about the alleged rape, really -- it's about Trump saying nope, don't know her, she's lying to sell books. But if he didn't know her, why would his DNA be on the dress, if in fact it is (and it may not be)? I don't know enough about DNA technology to say well, testing can say it's got to be semen or saliva or skin cells, so I won't opine on that aspect. Eliminating the possibility it is him is what discovery is for. 

I am judging you for that acid wash. I do not know how I had the perspicacity as a tween and teenager, at the height of all things acid wash, to avoid the stuff, but I did. I do have a hoodie from 1984 that I still wear occasionally (made in the USA and in tip top condition), a tee shirt from the JV softball team I was on in 1990, and a sun-faded flannel of similar vintage that I can juuuuust about wear still. Alas, all have been laundered many, many times. 

Don't you think it's possible Trump touched her dress, but had no reason to ever remember her?

[TBoneTX 45,968]

3 hours ago, elmcitymaven said:

tortfeasor

Finally!    

 

1 hour ago, elmcitymaven said:

laundered many, many times. 

If you had any currency in the pockets, you're guilty of money-laundering, si Maven ma'am!!!!!!

[90DayFinancier 910]

9 hours ago, elmcitymaven said:

....... there are multiple DNA profiles on the dress, but it is important to note that DNA is shed not only through semen, but also through other excreta of the body, as I'm sure you know, Steeleballz. The question is: if Trump did not meet her, but his DNA is on her dress, under what circumstances could that happen? Or, if he did meet her, is there a more innocent explanation for the presence of his DNA on her dress? That's the point of this case progressing to discovery. Sampling as mooted by Carroll's team is non-invasive -- it involves testing saliva. No blood or semen sample required. He can be eliminated, or not. 

 

And as for keeping items of clothing unwashed after an assault, I have a beautiful violet cardigan tucked away in storage that was handed back to me by the LAPD when the DA declined to move my case forward. I will never wear it again, and never wish to look at it again, but it is part of something that happened to me. Throwing it away seems wrong -- I think some part of me knows he might do it again to some other woman, and if he does, I have something to show: this happened to me, too. Not every person who has been assaulted will think the same way, but I understand why she might have done what she did.

Thank you for the legal analysis and thank you for sharing your very personal history on this topic.

 

I am sorry you had that crime invade your life.

[Boiler 45,966]

She stole her allegations from a 2012 episode of Law and Order.

 

Her interview with Anderson Cooper was interesting.

[90DayFinancier 910]

45 minutes ago, Boiler said:

She stole her allegations from a 2012 episode of Law and Order.

 

Her interview with Anderson Cooper was interesting.

You are saying she is definitely fabricating this story.

[Boiler 45,966]

8 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

You are saying she is definitely fabricating this story.

Of course not.

 

I do not jump to conclusions without any evidence.

[90DayFinancier 910]

2 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Of course not.

 

I do not jump to conclusions without any evidence.

You said she "stole" her allegations.

[Boiler 45,966]

Borrowed?

[90DayFinancier 910]

5 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Borrowed?

If I were telling a true personal story, and someone says that I borrowed it from a TV show, I would put him in the column of he thinks I made this up.

[Boiler 45,966]

1 minute ago, 90DayFinancier said:

If I were telling a true personal story, and someone says that I borrowed it from a TV show, I would put him in the column of he thinks I made this up.

That sounds different to definitely fabricating.

[Dashinka 24,744]

9 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

     I think the point is having your DNA on someones clothing would negate the claim that you never met them. 

Ever ride a subway (anywhere), or a bus in Russia? 

[Dashinka 24,744]

37 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

If I were telling a true personal story, and someone says that I borrowed it from a TV show, I would put him in the column of he thinks I made this up.

How do you know it is a true personal story?

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

9 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

Don't you think it's possible Trump touched her dress, but had no reason to ever remember her?

Yes, absolutely possible. This is the sort of thing that can be developed through the discovery process and trial, if necessary. It's good to keep an open mind while also being mindful of the alleged incident in the greater context of historical allegations.