Kobe Bryant Died Helicopter Crash

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

9 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I thought it is the Pilot who is certified not the Company.

Both have to be.  The company is a part 135 (non-scheduled) operation only authorized to operate VFR by the FAA.  I'm sure when the flight started, it WAS VMC, but as conditions deteriorated,  the pilot should have landed ASAP or returned, not try to continue flying.

 

Even though the pilot and the aircraft were instrument rated and instrument capable, it was a violation of the operator's certificate.  More importantly, and probably crucial as to the WHY the crash happened, he wasn't current or proficient in IFR flying.

Edited January 31, 2020 by ALFKAD

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

Just now, ALFKAD said:

Both have to be.  The company is a part 135 (non-scheduled) operarion only authorized to operate VFR by the FAA.  I'm sure when the flight started, it WAS VMC, but as conditions deteriorated,  the pilot should have landed ASAP or returned, not try to continue flying.

 

Even though the pilot and the aircraft were instrument rated and instrument capable, it was a violation of the operator's certificate.  More importantly, and probably crucial as to the WHY the crash happened, he wasn't current or proficient in IFR flying.

well there you go. BTW you misspelled operation. Not being a jerk, grammar is just a hobby of mine 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Just now, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

well there you go. BTW you misspelled operation. Not being a jerk, grammar is just a hobby of mine 

Bite your keyboard.

 

You just misspelled it in your quote to bring me down.  I am.gabberflasted at your Schifty attempt.

[Boiler 45,967]

The people I know fly for Airlines that certainly are IFR rated, if the Pilot pretty much solely flew for this company seems unlikely he would have had any need or case to use it.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

7 minutes ago, Boiler said:

The people I know fly for Airlines that certainly are IFR rated, if the Pilot pretty much solely flew for this company seems unlikely he would have had any need or case to use it.

Imagine learning how to drive a car at the age of 15, then never driving again until you were 45.  And suddenly finding yourself driving a car in downtown Atlanta (or Manila) traffic at rush hour.  Then multiply that by about 10.  That is something close to what that pilot was feeling right before he stopped flying.

[Boiler 45,967]

I understand the issues, try driving down the main road here in a whiteout and then add another dimension. We do not know what he did, but sounds like he lost spacial orientation.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

6 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I understand the issues, try driving down the main road here in a whiteout and then add another dimension. We do not know what he did, but sounds like he lost spacial orientation.

In your (very apropos) scenario, one can pull over and stop, hoping no one comes by and plows into you.  (Impossible to pull over to a cloud in a hoopty, however).  But yes, that transition from being able to see, and then blinding whiteness is pretty much the same thing.  Even better than my driving example.

 

It is very critical that when one loses visual contact that an IMMEDIATE transition to instruments is made, and 100% trust in them I'd implicit.  At his altitude, it was the only right call, and if he DID try for it, he delayed too long, sadly.

 

I say IF he tried to switch to instruments because I watched the radar video showing a last-ditch rapid climb, but saw somewhere else that he descended rapidly.  Not sure which is accurate.

Edited January 31, 2020 by ALFKAD

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

8 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I understand the issues, try driving down the main road here in a whiteout and then add another dimension. We do not know what he did, but sounds like he lost spacial orientation.

spatial perhaps 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

3 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

In your (very apropos) scenario, one can pull over and stop, hoping no one comes by and plows into you.  (Impossible to pull over to a cloud in a hoopty, however).  But yes, that transition from being able to see, and then blinding whiteness is pretty much the same thing.  Even better than my driving example.

 

It is very critical that when one loses visual contact that an IMMEDIATE transition to instruments is made, and 100% trust in them I'd implicit.  At his altitude, it was the only right call, and if he DID try for it, he delayed too long, sadly.

 

I say IF he tried to switch to instruments because I watched the radar video showing a last-ditch rapid climb, but saw somewhere else that he descended rapidly.  Not sure which is accurate.

pretty much what killed JFK Jr if I recall 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

pretty much what killed JFK Jr if I recall 

Sadly, yes.  If perfect practice makes perfect, a lack of practice makes dangerous in their particular circumstances. 

[TBoneTX 45,969]

On 1/31/2020 at 12:04 PM, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I dead read the pilot

Freudian slip?