Leasing an apartment?

[ihaveablackcloud 2]

My fiancé is coming to attend a medical program here in the states during the summer. He’s coming on a B1 visa. We are planning on marrying in August, and then he will return to his country while I start the process for the spouse visa. His ties to his country are very strong, as he has an apartment there, and he will not graduate if he does not return. My father owns a house with two apartments, I rent the upper. Can my fiancé just say that he’s renting a room in this house? My father is willing to draw up a lease as proof. We don’t really want to mention our relationship, as it might make it seem like he will not return at the end of his stay....which he absolutely will, because if he doesn’t he will not get his medical degree. 
 

How important is proof of lodging? Is a lease drawn up by my father sufficient evidence? Could this cause him to be turned away at the port of entry? 

[Duke & Marie 1,389]

5 minutes ago, ihaveablackcloud said:

My fiancé is coming to attend a medical program here in the states during the summer. He’s coming on a B1 visa. We are planning on marrying in August, and then he will return to his country while I start the process for the spouse visa. His ties to his country are very strong, as he has an apartment there, and he will not graduate if he does not return. My father owns a house with two apartments, I rent the upper. Can my fiancé just say that he’s renting a room in this house? My father is willing to draw up a lease as proof. We don’t really want to mention our relationship, as it might make it seem like he will not return at the end of his stay....which he absolutely will, because if he doesn’t he will not get his medical degree. 
 

How important is proof of lodging? Is a lease drawn up by my father sufficient evidence? Could this cause him to be turned away at the port of entry? 

You’d be better off focusing on proving his ties to his home country and intention of returning home.. uni letters etc, rental agreements, employment etc.. 

 

realisticly speaking he just needs to write the address of where he’s visiting, nothing else. 

[ihaveablackcloud 2]

6 minutes ago, Duke & Marie said:

You’d be better off focusing on proving his ties to his home country and intention of returning home.. uni letters etc, rental agreements, employment etc.. 

 

realisticly speaking he just needs to write the address of where he’s visiting, nothing else. 

Thank you for your response! This definitely eliminates a lot of unnecessary worry lol

[JFH 12,190]

5 hours ago, ihaveablackcloud said:

We don’t really want to mention our relationship, as it might make it seem like he will not return at the end of his stay....

You won’t have much choice. According to the guide on the DOS website, for the purposes of a DS-160, immediate relatives includes fiancés. 

[JFH 12,190]

And going back to your previous thread, are you certain that a B visa is the correct one? From what you said before, this course forms part of his medical school. A B visa can only be used to take part in a course for recreational purposes such as hobby courses in painting or cooking, etc. Not for university courses. 
 

 

[ihaveablackcloud 2]

1 minute ago, JFH said:

And going back to your previous thread, are you certain that a B visa is the correct one? From what you said before, this course forms part of his medical school. A B visa can only be used to take part in a course for recreational purposes such as hobby courses in painting or cooking, etc. Not for university courses. 
 

 

Thank you for your response. The program director said this particular course requires a B1 visa. Also, I suppose I should have worded my initial post a bit differently. We won’t be technically engaged until this summer. We’ve been trying to figure out how to plan things in a way that will work best. We had planned to do the K1 after this summer, until we realized it was possible to marry on a visitor visa as long as he returns when the program ends. So things are still a bit unclear.  Would that still count as fiancé when he applies for the visa? 

[JFH 12,190]

4 minutes ago, ihaveablackcloud said:

Thank you for your response. The program director said this particular course requires a B1 visa. Also, I suppose I should have worded my initial post a bit differently. We won’t be technically engaged until this summer. We’ve been trying to figure out how to plan things in a way that will work best. We had planned to do the K1 after this summer, until we realized it was possible to marry on a visitor visa as long as he returns when the program ends. So things are still a bit unclear.  Would that still count as fiancé when he applies for the visa? 

You don’t have to be “technically engaged” to be a fiancé. You have decided to marry. So he is your fiancé. I have married twice but never had an engagement ring, engagement party, proposal, etc. If you are already planning to start a CR-1 and have previously researched a K-1, that sounds very much like a fiancé to me. 

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

If you’re already planning a wedding date, you have a fiancé.

 

It seems you are going to some lengths to try hide the relationship for his visa interview. Not only is that suspicious to us, but it will look even more suspicious to the officer when s/he figures out exactly what the relationship with his US landlord will be once he has had to extract it rather than be told upfront. In short, you’re more likely to create a problem than prevent one.

Edited January 26, 2020 by SusieQQQ

[ihaveablackcloud 2]

12 minutes ago, JFH said:

You don’t have to be “technically engaged” to be a fiancé. You have decided to marry. So he is your fiancé. I have married twice but never had an engagement ring, engagement party, proposal, etc. If you are already planning to start a CR-1 and have previously researched a K-1, that sounds very much like a fiancé to me. 

That makes sense! If he says that he will be staying with his fiancé, what additional information might they need from him or I?

[ihaveablackcloud 2]

Just now, SusieQQQ said:

If you’re already planning a wedding date, you have a fiancé.

 

It seems you are going to some lengths to try hide the relationship for his visa interview. Not only is that suspicious to us, but it will look even more suspicious to the officer when s/he figures out exactly what the relationship with his US landlord will be once he has had to extract it rather than be told upfront. 

We aren’t trying to hide anything. Of course we want to be upfront and do the right thing. We are just at the beginning stages of all this and trying to figure out what the best plan is. Thank you for your response.

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

1 minute ago, ihaveablackcloud said:

That makes sense! If he says that he will be staying with his fiancé, what additional information might they need from him or I?

It’s already been told to you above - ties home. Why he needs to go back after his visit.

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

Just now, ihaveablackcloud said:

We aren’t trying to hide anything. Of course we want to be upfront and do the right thing. We are just at the beginning stages of all this and trying to figure out what the best plan is. Thank you for your response.

Hmmm.. the below sounds very much like you are trying to hide it.

 

5 hours ago, ihaveablackcloud said:

My father owns a house with two apartments, I rent the upper. Can my fiancé just say that he’s renting a room in this house? My father is willing to draw up a lease as proof. We don’t really want to mention our relationship,

 

[JFH 12,190]

52 minutes ago, ihaveablackcloud said:

We aren’t trying to hide anything. Of course we want to be upfront and do the right thing. We are just at the beginning stages of all this and trying to figure out what the best plan is. Thank you for your response.

You already said you don’t want to mention the relationship. 

[Just Paul 4,595]

2 hours ago, JFH said:

are you certain that a B visa is the correct one?

A B1 can be used for training in most cases.   I'll defer to the program director.   Something other than short training would need F/J/M visas.

[ihaveablackcloud 2]

10 hours ago, JFH said:

You already said you don’t want to mention the relationship. 

I’ve had a lot of conflicting information from other sites saying that mentioning it could be damaging....especially since the main intent is for him to come to this medical program. I would never want to do something deceptive. 
 

I am confused now about what constitutes visa fraud. We aren’t sure we want to marry this summer yet, as he has not yet met my family. That’s  why we wanted to take the time for introductions and then decide whether or not to have a small wedding at the end of his stay before he goes back. If we are unsure whether this wedding is going to take place, is this something we need to discuss with the visa officer? If we do end up marrying, then I’m concerned it will be seen as the main purpose of the trip. Is it fraud only if he tries to adjust his status? My understanding is that as long as he returns home, no fraud has taken place. Is that the case? I apologize for all the confusion on this post...but I am new to this. We truly want to make sure this is done the right way. Thanks for your help!