The lives of hundreds of thousands of New Jerseyans are about to be destroyed

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

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Attention fellow New Jerseyans: We are about to get screwed like we've never been screwed before by state Sen. President Steve Sweeney, the rest of the legislature, and, if he signs the bill, Governor Phil Murphy.

Now before you accuse me of screw-based hyperbole, I need you to understand bill S4204, introduced by Sweeney in November, and fast-tracked for passage in the coming weeks. In short: It will eliminate the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of New Jerseyans. Plain and simple.


The bill would upend the current system of people who operate as independent contractors. Basically, you won’t be allowed to offer your services unless you’re hired as an official employee of the business. That’s a simplistic reading of the bill, but that’s it in a nutshell.

 

 

https://www.trentonian.com/news/the-lives-of-hundreds-of-thousands-of-new-jerseyans-are/article_91e95642-0c08-11ea-a16d-e311dc18d1ae.html

 

 

Edited January 6, 2020 by ALFKAD

[Boiler 45,970]

First the West and now the East?

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

Do you think its fair that fedex ground hires all its employees as subcontractors with no insurance or benefits. The Truck owners then subcontract drivers at a very measly daily rate. They dont care if you have 50 stops or 500 because they pay a flat rate.  Big companies are more and more doing this to skirt labor laws.

 

Yet UPS who has very much competitive delivery rates owns their trucks and pays their drivers very good wages. This is what the law is combating, not stopping somebody from doing a wedding as a free lancer as an individual. 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

FEDEX FAILS TO DELIVER FOR DRIVERS

https://publicintegrity.org/politics/fedex-fails-to-deliver-for-drivers/

[Steeleballz 7,550]

12 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Do you think its fair that fedex ground hires all its employees as subcontractors with no insurance or benefits. The Truck owners then subcontract drivers at a very measly daily rate. They dont care if you have 50 stops or 500 because they pay a flat rate.  Big companies are more and more doing this to skirt labor laws.

 

Yet UPS who has very much competitive delivery rates owns their trucks and pays their drivers very good wages. This is what the law is combating, not stopping somebody from doing a wedding as a free lancer as an individual. 

   Plus if you use UPS ground for a delivery, you might actually get the package. Fedex ground drivers can't even find our address half the time. The delivery guys usually call for directions and they have told me they are just using google maps to find places.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

40 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Do you think its fair that fedex ground hires all its employees as subcontractors with no insurance or benefits. The Truck owners then subcontract drivers at a very measly daily rate. They dont care if you have 50 stops or 500 because they pay a flat rate.  Big companies are more and more doing this to skirt labor laws.

 

Yet UPS who has very much competitive delivery rates owns their trucks and pays their drivers very good wages. This is what the law is combating, not stopping somebody from doing a wedding as a free lancer as an individual. 

Many businesses (whether service/retail, production, transportation, and whatnot) rely not on static work forces but on temporary labor to handle spikes/seasonal influxes. Operationally, especially if its with a company that's down the chain and operating on smaller margins, or just a SME, it's not worth the investment to go through a process of  training people who already know how to do certain jobs, you just need their labor for a very short time. So it becomes a situation where its a better idea to utilize the inputs of another company who can deliver a straight-forward output that you yourself might go bankrupt trying to invest in all the intricacies necessary (comparative advantage, opportunity costs). I'm sure there are some who are trying to take advantage of 1099 regs, for one example, but these states are doing serious damage operationally to small and medium businesses (by far the biggest hit) and larger production companies who utilize aggregate/chase strategies. I don't think it's nearly as bad as they're exaggerating in the article, but it's also not as necessary to justify just moronic sweeping laws. The freedom to employ numerous operational strategies is what makes the US an attractive place to invest, states encroaching on that undoubtedly destroys a production market. Not sure how much of one New Jersey had anyways, but I'm sure California's laws will hurt big time.

Edited January 6, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[TBoneTX 45,971]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

Plus

Welcome back to SB, si man.

[TBoneTX 45,971]

2 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

New Jerseyans: We are about to get screwed

Anyone who lives in Nueva Hersey (as Mrs. T-B. says it) is hosed naturally:  weather, taxes, Camden...

47 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

moronic sweeping laws

What lawyers would hire anybody moronic to sweep their offices?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

11 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

Welcome back to SB, si man.

 

   Thanks TB!  Kids are back in school so hopefully I will have some free time now.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

3 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Many businesses (whether service/retail, production, transportation, and whatnot) rely not on static work forces but on temporary labor to handle spikes/seasonal influxes. Operationally, especially if its with a company that's down the chain and operating on smaller margins, or just a SME, it's not worth the investment to go through a process of  training people who already know how to do certain jobs, you just need their labor for a very short time. So it becomes a situation where its a better idea to utilize the inputs of another company who can deliver a straight-forward output that you yourself might go bankrupt trying to invest in all the intricacies necessary (comparative advantage, opportunity costs). I'm sure there are some who are trying to take advantage of 1099 regs, for one example, but these states are doing serious damage operationally to small and medium businesses (by far the biggest hit) and larger production companies who utilize aggregate/chase strategies. I don't think it's nearly as bad as they're exaggerating in the article, but it's also not as necessary to justify just moronic sweeping laws. The freedom to employ numerous operational strategies is what makes the US an attractive place to invest, states encroaching on that undoubtedly destroys a production market. Not sure how much of one New Jersey had anyways, but I'm sure California's laws will hurt big time.

Fedex ground  and home use subs and temps for all deliveries. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

51 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Fedex ground  and home use subs and temps for all deliveries. 

FedEx is an airline that has some trucks.

 

UPS is a trucking company that has some planes.  Big difference between the two.

[TBoneTX 45,971]

FedEx supervisors came to our casa just last week, trying in vain to find a misdelivered package.

Only ones worse are USPS, who read house numbers but not street names.  

[TBoneTX 45,971]

7 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

Thanks TB!  Kids are back in school so hopefully I will have some free time now.

Figgered that you were probably the ancestor of one or more descendants and were thus engaged.

A lot of this ancestorin' of descendants going on around here lately...