The derailment exempt thread

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

37 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Wanted to rant a little. Hope you don't mind.

 

Dad's been in a bad way again since last year's little multi-month hospital stay adventure. Not lucid or responding to verbal commands, not wanting to eat or drink, blanking out to some far away place, mood swings, belligerent nasty stuff. Checked his BP - way too low. Consult telemedicine - they made some med changes, encouraged him to listen to his family and DRINK SOME FLUIDS. Of course he continued doing what he wanted. Today he blacked out.. or fainted or had a seizure or something. Thank god he was sitting at the time - he's had so many prior falls. Again went to the far away place. No responding to commands, speaking streams of angry gibberish. Lost control of... everything. Some debate about calling 911. No question in my mind. But he's screaming he doesn't want to go to the hospital and what are we talking about he's fine and nothing's wrong *gibberish words*. So whatever, fine. My Dad's a big guy, especially at deadweight, but me and my husband lift him into a wheelchair and carry him down steps to the car. He hears an ice cream truck and in some not lucid childlike state thinks he's going for ice cream? Drive him to the ER. They won't let any of us inside. They said they'd call and they haven't. I have no idea what's going on. My sister is his POA and they won't tell give any info, keep saying they'll call back. My husband has been waiting in a car for eight hours now. This is a risk to take him here, he could catch COVID, but the doctor did say if he didn't go he could just as likely die sitting in that chair at home.

Sorry, Yuna.  And of course no one minds a rant in this thread.  Off topic is ON topic.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

54 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Wanted to rant a little. Hope you don't mind.

 

Dad's been in a bad way again since last year's little multi-month hospital stay adventure. Not lucid or responding to verbal commands, not wanting to eat or drink, blanking out to some far away place, mood swings, belligerent nasty stuff. Checked his BP - way too low. Consult telemedicine - they made some med changes, encouraged him to listen to his family and DRINK SOME FLUIDS. Of course he continued doing what he wanted. Today he blacked out.. or fainted or had a seizure or something. Thank god he was sitting at the time - he's had so many prior falls. Again went to the far away place. No responding to commands, speaking streams of angry gibberish. Lost control of... everything. Some debate about calling 911. No question in my mind. But he's screaming he doesn't want to go to the hospital and what are we talking about he's fine and nothing's wrong *gibberish words*. So whatever, fine. My Dad's a big guy, especially at deadweight, but me and my husband lift him into a wheelchair and carry him down steps to the car. He hears an ice cream truck and in some not lucid childlike state thinks he's going for ice cream? Drive him to the ER. They won't let any of us inside. They said they'd call and they haven't. I have no idea what's going on. My sister is his POA and they won't tell give any info, keep saying they'll call back. My husband has been waiting in a car for eight hours now. This is a risk to take him here, he could catch COVID, but the doctor did say if he didn't go he could just as likely die sitting in that chair at home.

Sorry to hear. Sad part of all this , you cant be with loved ones at the hospital 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Just now, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Sorry to hear. Sad part of all this , you cant be with loved ones at the hospital 

A hospital is the LAST place I'd want to be right now, even if a loved one were there.  Everyone I know with covid has stayed at home thus far (no deaths, thankfully).

[laylalex 7,284]

yuna, I don't know what more to say than PLEASE rant away and to let you know I'm keeping your dad, your husband and you in my thoughts, wishing for your dad's recovery and for excellent care as soon as possible. So much of what is happening to our families and friends is too cruel now. 

[yuna628 9,666]

9 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

A hospital is the LAST place I'd want to be right now, even if a loved one were there.  Everyone I know with covid has stayed at home thus far (no deaths, thankfully).

Had to do it unfortunately, and they finally called. His BP was scary low and its taking them time to try and stabilize. Still not so lucid and dehydrated. Kidney function bad. May have had another stroke.....  They're keeping him for sure, but still unable to go inside.

[Boiler 45,411]

Good luck, I never know what to say in these circumstances.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

31 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Had to do it unfortunately, and they finally called. His BP was scary low and its taking them time to try and stabilize. Still not so lucid and dehydrated. Kidney function bad. May have had another stroke.....  They're keeping him for sure, but still unable to go inside.

Well of course people like your dad need to be there.  Glad they are finally seeing to him!

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Sorry to hear. Sad part of all this , you cant be with loved ones at the hospital 

This is my biggest fear come August, especially given what happened with our first delivery (both wife and daughter nearly died). Thankfully we're still 4 months away, I just hope sanity prevails and I'm not hindered from being with my wife and newborn son.

 

I really don't understand why they insist on keeping family away from each other, especially people regularly around each other, least of all, living in the same house. The idea of separating people who likely share germs already is mind boggling. Their medical literature should be rife with examples of how detrimental to everyone's health keeping family apart, especially in crisis, is. Naturally, government does reason even worse than the general population.

 

I hope everything is alright, Yuna, and we're crossing our fingers for you and your family.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

I really don't understand why they insist on keeping family away from each other, especially people regularly around each other, least of all, living in the same house. The idea of separating people who likely share germs already is mind boggling. Their medical literature should be rife with examples of how detrimental to everyone's health keeping family apart, especially in crisis, is. Naturally, government does reason even worse than the general population.

 

It's likely to keep the raw numbers down.  Every non-essential person inside a hospital is a double risk, both of bringing in the virus, as well as contracting it while inside.  And every time any person enters the hospital, gets tested (negative), then leaves and comes back in, the risk is still high that they got infected while out.  At this point, it's just a numbers game, and has little (or nothing) to do with your own personal little herd.  Hopefully it won't be an issue by the time your wife is due.  Fingers crossed for you (and all of us).

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

5 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

It's likely to keep the raw numbers down.  Every non-essential person inside a hospital is a double risk, both of bringing in the virus, as well as contracting it while inside.  And every time any person enters the hospital, gets tested (negative), then leaves and comes back in, the risk is still high that they got infected while out.  At this point, it's just a numbers game, and has little (or nothing) to do with your own personal little herd.  Hopefully it won't be an issue by the time your wife is due.  Fingers crossed for you (and all of us).

The funny thing is, this hospital in particular (where we had our son) has a policy where fathers can't stay past I think it's 9 or 10pm, potentially unless the mom is still in labor. The main reason we're still opting for this hospital is that its only a couple minutes away (you also need to be given a referral to a maternity clinic that serves that other hospital, in their region, if I recall correctly, to deliver there), and those few minutes were vital as for our son's delivery as my wife quickly was beyond the period where they'd not give an epidural which she absolutely demands. Mom's demands trump all in this case.

 

So, wouldn't have to leave (I'd pack enough food for the entire stay and never leave) if it weren't for such a policy. Wonder if they'll change it, as its the only one of the major 4 hospitals in this city with a labor/delivery ward that has this policy of requiring dads to go home past a certain time (the other ones welcome and even make room for dad and other children in the recovery room/postpartum rooms with chairs and bedding), as its safer for dads to stay rather than come and go. 

[yuna628 9,666]

11 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

This is my biggest fear come August, especially given what happened with our first delivery (both wife and daughter nearly died). Thankfully we're still 4 months away, I just hope sanity prevails and I'm not hindered from being with my wife and newborn son.

 

I really don't understand why they insist on keeping family away from each other, especially people regularly around each other, least of all, living in the same house. The idea of separating people who likely share germs already is mind boggling. Their medical literature should be rife with examples of how detrimental to everyone's health keeping family apart, especially in crisis, is. Naturally, government does reason even worse than the general population.

 

I hope everything is alright, Yuna, and we're crossing our fingers for you and your family.

A relative just had a baby a few days ago. They did let her husband come in for a while on doctor's orders, provided he had PPE. But no other visitor exceptions whatsoever. I know some other hospitals though that turned pregnant women away completely and others do not let the fathers be present. We drove him to the best hospital we could, and of course they do have COVID patients there but not as many fatalities. I understand why they'd keep someone away. To protect the visitor, any person the visitor could spread it to, and any exposure elsewhere to the baby (which has happened) or any other baby in the ward. But I know how difficult that would be for the father and mother during such a time. A friend of mine is due soon, I hope she will not have to be alone. I know so many COVID patients have been showing up with atypical presentations or do not know they have it. Which brings me to...

 

Update on dad: BP was better this morning but still too low. Scan after scan being run and now it's clear he's got kidney damage and his platelets are dropping. Rechecking him for the superbugs that hit him last year. But this morning I see they've run a COVID test. I don't know how that's going to work based on his past surgical history... also I know he'll have a panic attack if they come at him with that swab. No idea why they think he's got COVID, but they did take a look at his lungs and gave him oxygen. He was more lucid this morning on the phone but still cannot tell me what's going on. Thankfully he's in an isolation room. I think I'll start scrubbing down everything with bleach again just in case. No one else in the house has felt any ill effects I pray it stays this way.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

4 hours ago, yuna628 said:

A relative just had a baby a few days ago. They did let her husband come in for a while on doctor's orders, provided he had PPE. But no other visitor exceptions whatsoever. I know some other hospitals though that turned pregnant women away completely and others do not let the fathers be present. We drove him to the best hospital we could, and of course they do have COVID patients there but not as many fatalities. I understand why they'd keep someone away. To protect the visitor, any person the visitor could spread it to, and any exposure elsewhere to the baby (which has happened) or any other baby in the ward. But I know how difficult that would be for the father and mother during such a time. A friend of mine is due soon, I hope she will not have to be alone. I know so many COVID patients have been showing up with atypical presentations or do not know they have it. Which brings me to...

 

Update on dad: BP was better this morning but still too low. Scan after scan being run and now it's clear he's got kidney damage and his platelets are dropping. Rechecking him for the superbugs that hit him last year. But this morning I see they've run a COVID test. I don't know how that's going to work based on his past surgical history... also I know he'll have a panic attack if they come at him with that swab. No idea why they think he's got COVID, but they did take a look at his lungs and gave him oxygen. He was more lucid this morning on the phone but still cannot tell me what's going on. Thankfully he's in an isolation room. I think I'll start scrubbing down everything with bleach again just in case. No one else in the house has felt any ill effects I pray it stays this way.

Yeah, having been through this twice before (daughter and our first son), in both circumstances its been vital to have the dad there, he is the quarterback. For our daughter, my wife was in no condition after an emergency quickly developing pre-10cm to make decisions, so I had to make crucial calls for both her and my daughter. Presumably, the parents have gone over a plan (dad knows what mom wants, re:epidural or not/under what circumstances to allow c-section/etc), the parents have some nonperishables packed away in a bag (for post-delivery) ready to be grabbed on the way out the door. I'm crossing my fingers logic prevails here, the dad needs to be there. We already had plans for both my daughter and son to be watched. 

 

I feel bad for your dad.. someone feeling like ****.. the smell of solvents can't be helpful. Forgive me if you've already gone over this part, but is he the only decision maker for himself?

[yuna628 9,666]

1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Yeah, having been through this twice before (daughter and our first son), in both circumstances its been vital to have the dad there, he is the quarterback. For our daughter, my wife was in no condition after an emergency quickly developing pre-10cm to make decisions, so I had to make crucial calls for both her and my daughter. Presumably, the parents have gone over a plan (dad knows what mom wants, re:epidural or not/under what circumstances to allow c-section/etc), the parents have some nonperishables packed away in a bag (for post-delivery) ready to be grabbed on the way out the door. I'm crossing my fingers logic prevails here, the dad needs to be there. We already had plans for both my daughter and son to be watched. 

 

I feel bad for your dad.. someone feeling like ****.. the smell of solvents can't be helpful. Forgive me if you've already gone over this part, but is he the only decision maker for himself?

He is not. At times he can barely remember or could not answer questions doctors asked of him last time. I have no doubt he's not able to be helpful to anyone in the hospital needing info. My sister makes the decisions, but they still are barely providing her info.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

10 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

He is not. At times he can barely remember or could not answer questions doctors asked of him last time. I have no doubt he's not able to be helpful to anyone in the hospital needing info. My sister makes the decisions, but they still are barely providing her info.

That's just got to be an awful situation to be in, and I'm really wishing the best for you and your family. I just hope things turn around. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

On a positive note, I have accomplished quite a bit this past month.  Today, made a loaf of the best sourdough bread I think I have ever made.  Re-covered/sealed the driveway (not mine, I just rent the spot, but I bought the stuff to do the job), built a hydroponic ebb/flow system, hand-painted many, many nutsedge growths with roundup, planted some sod to boost grass growing in the front yard, fertilized the yard, bought lapping compound to sharpen the blades on my reel mower (still waiting on delivery), found 50# bags of flour at Costco that seem to be missing in CA (didn't buy because I still have 25 or 30 lbs left from a November buy on Amazon).  Made some carpaccio.  Grilled pork ribs as well as some prime NY Strip.  Caught some fish across the road from me until we had enough over a few days, then grilled said fish.  Wore a mask in Home Depot today (stupid new rule went into effect yesterday) and laughed at some of the people, one of which was an older lady walking around with the mask on her face, but pulled down under her nose (I have a lot of respect for those who perform 4-8 hour surgeries wearing masks all the time).   Have had four friends recover from covid.  Watched my wife take credit for my sourdough bread on FB.  Had another real life training episode of "Left hand dirty, right hand clean" with the wife today.  She's getting pretty good at it. Tomorrow, it will be time to bring the Kai Shun knives back to their razor-sharp status, and sharpen the steak knives.  Now that the hydroponic garden is functioning properly, need to get more/fresher seeds, as many I have had for years are not germinating well.