Visa Denied!

[Karim2018 100]

Hey Guys, Applicant is using a sponsor making $54K, but already sponsoring/supporting 3 (wife & 2 kids) for a total of 4. USCIS guidelines show a min of $32,187. Applicant's status on CEAC changed to REFUSED today and asked him for a joint-sponsor! This guy's sponsor's income is far from being "borderline", so why ask for joint-sponsor with a 54K income!

Edited December 26, 2019 by Karim2018

[SalishSea 17,829]

Guidelines are simply guidelines.  The CO looks at the totality of the circumstances when evaluating the chance of an immigrant becoming a public charge.  If they are requesting a joint sponsor, you have no choice but to get one.

Edited December 26, 2019 by Jorgedig

[geowrian 22,337]

100% agree with the above - those are only a bare minimum to even be considered. Totality of the circumstances is what matters. $54k for a family of 4 (with 2 kids) where I live and with my circumstances is livable IMO, whereas it's impractical to live on that in some areas or with certain circumstances.

FAM source: https://fam.state.gov/FAM/09FAM/09FAM030208.html#M302_8_2_B_2

Either way, next step is to get a joint sponsor.

[JeanneAdil 6,505]

consulate just recd your case the 20th so this is not for your application

 

so,  a friend? as you say applicant is using a sponsor

is the applicant using a cosponsor for this $54,000?

 

already sponsoring 4 (himself,  wife and 2 kids)  plus the new person is 5

is this for K1 or CR1 

and who will be paying for health care insurance?

and did the sponsor send actual IRS tax statements or just send 1040? 

 

this person is lucky casa is giving a chance to find a cosponsor / they don't have to

Edited December 27, 2019 by JeanneAdil

[Karim2018 100]

1 hour ago, JeanneAdil said:

consulate just recd your case the 20th so this is not for your application

 

so,  a friend? as you say applicant is using a sponsor

is the applicant using a cosponsor for this $54,000?

 

already sponsoring 4 (himself,  wife and 2 kids)  plus the new person is 5

is this for K1 or CR1 

and who will be paying for health care insurance?

and did the sponsor send actual IRS tax statements or just send 1040? 

 

this person is lucky casa is giving a chance to find a cosponsor / they don't have to

To my knowledge, he submitted everything, including taxes, joint accounts, photos, trips/chat records, and it's an IR1. Total dependants are 4, including the applicant. As far as Med. Ins., I believe his wife will be adding him to her work ins.

[JFH 12,190]

6 minutes ago, Karim2018 said:

To my knowledge, he submitted everything, including taxes, joint accounts, photos, trips/chat records, and it's an IR1. Total dependants are 4, including the applicant. As far as Med. Ins., I believe his wife will be adding him to her work ins.

Would be better if the individual were to make his own account here and ask his own questions. It can be a waste of everyone’s time answering questions that are based on “I believe” and “I think”. 

[JeanneAdil 6,505]

so, the applicant makes $54,00 not she is using a sponsor 

the wording is confusing 

she is the sponsor making $54,000

but if the CO says cosponsor is needed ,  that is the only thing they can do / it means get a cosponsor

why?   it is the discretion  of the CO and embassy and they see more from the submitted documents than we are privy to

[Nitas_man 3,100]

On 12/26/2019 at 4:11 PM, Karim2018 said:

Hey Guys, Applicant is using a sponsor making $54K, but already sponsoring/supporting 3 (wife & 2 kids) for a total of 4. USCIS guidelines show a min of $32,187. Applicant's status on CEAC changed to REFUSED today and asked him for a joint-sponsor! This guy's sponsor's income is far from being "borderline", so why ask for joint-sponsor with a 54K income!

Based on this I have no idea who is who here.

Is the applicant being sponsored by his wife?

[Karim2018 100]

43 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

Based on this I have no idea who is who here.

Is the applicant being sponsored by his wife?

Sorry my bad. I should have been clearer. Wife (USC and petitione) is making $54K, but already has 2 kids, so CO is asking for an additional sponsor (i.e. a joint sponsor). As mentioned above, they look at totality of circumstances. Thanks

[Nitas_man 3,100]

2 minutes ago, Karim2018 said:

Sorry my bad. I should have been clearer. Wife (USC and petitione) is making $54K, but already has 2 kids, so CO is asking for an additional sponsor (i.e. a joint sponsor). As mentioned above, they look at totality of circumstances. Thanks

Clear.  

This is wife/2 kids/ husband is the applicant for family size 4?

You are correct.  It is unusual that this would require a joint sponsor.  
Are you sure that this is all the information?  Is this current income, maybe last year’s taxes showed less?

 

[Karim2018 100]

3 hours ago, Nitas_man said:

Clear.  

This is wife/2 kids/ husband is the applicant for family size 4?

You are correct.  It is unusual that this would require a joint sponsor.  
Are you sure that this is all the information?  Is this current income, maybe last year’s taxes showed less?

 

Yes, family size is 4. and yes it is current income. I'm equally puzzled, but there's must be something else. I just don't know it!

[bavana Havana 3]

How long till they let you know you need join sponsorr  . After you saw the ceac  say refused . Can you answer 

[Karim2018 100]

3 hours ago, savana said:

How long till they let you know you need join sponsorr  . After you saw the ceac  say refused . Can you answer 

Usually they'll ask for a joint-sponsor after the interview.

[markwebb 5]

how long do you have to get a joint sponsor ? Will they be processing the same application or you will have to do all the steps again ?

Edited December 31, 2019 by markwebb

[bavana Havana 3]

8 hours ago, Karim2018 said:

Usually they'll ask for a joint-sponsor after the interview.

I know  but you dont get my quetion  .  You said the status changed to refused so  when this changed after it how long till they let you know that you need join sponsor