RFE Initial Evidence Request

[Karol139 0]

This is what i got in the mail today

"Please respond to the items below:

CIRCUMSTANCE OF MEETING: Submit further info regarding the circumstances under which the petitioner and beneficiary met to establish the relationship.submit original statements from you and or your fiance to establish mutual intent to marry within 90 days of their admision.

MEETING IN PERSON: Though you have submitted photos, they alone do not establish that you have met your fiance in person within the two-year period. therefore, submit evidence of meeting between you and the beneficiary in person. the primary evidence may include copies of passport pages that show the identification page and admission stamps military orders letter from Commanding Officer, or any evidence that will help the Service to determine that the petitioner has met the beneficiary within the 2 yrs. "

ok, we live 2 hrs apart... i dont have airline tickets or any other evidence, i go see him but stay at my relatives house.... how do i do it,, or what do i send...

i live in Mcallen Tx and he lives in Monterrey Mexico,...

help please

[j&js 0]

Have you ever gotten your passport stamped? (I know they don't always do this at the border...) Bought a bus or train ticket to visit?

What about any receipts for stuff you did together? Ever rented a car, gotten tickets to something together? I don't know if this would work but maybe get some affidavits from people saying they have seen you together?

Hopefully someone with better ideas then mine will show up! Good luck, I'm sure you will figure something out!

[Jasman0717 9]

I included a copy of my passport, hotel receipts, boarding passes, etc.

[MaryandMian 1]

I am not sure you would have anything to show your border crossing. Have you got stubs or tokens? Were your photos time dated and in front of certain places that can be used for reference? I guess you could have your relatives in Mexico go and have someone notarize a letter stating that you resided with them during your visits and you did not need hotel accomodations. I guess that is my last resort. Have them mail it to you and make copies of the letter, and envelope, and any other evidence you could submit. Good luck.

Mary

[j&js 0]

Not that this helps you at all, but I would like to ask if this makes sense to anybody else.

I get that pictures are apparently not good enough for immigration, yea, sure we could all be photoshoping it up... BUT why then are airline ticket stubs and other pieces of paper worth anything?? I sent in pictures and airline tickets, and some other receipts of things from visits, but doesn't all that paper stuff just prove I visited Ireland? In my case, most of the receipts weren't even from the county that James's address has always been as most of my visiting was done while he was at college and a secondary address. If you were to take the pictures out of my pile of evidence, I would not think that it proved anything other then that I was in the country he lives in. Sorry, just a little rant about immigration...

[Billy 0]

Not that this helps you at all, but I would like to ask if this makes sense to anybody else.

I get that pictures are apparently not good enough for immigration, yea, sure we could all be photoshoping it up... BUT why then are airline ticket stubs and other pieces of paper worth anything?? I sent in pictures and airline tickets, and some other receipts of things from visits, but doesn't all that paper stuff just prove I visited Ireland? In my case, most of the receipts weren't even from the county that James's address has always been as most of my visiting was done while he was at college and a secondary address. If you were to take the pictures out of my pile of evidence, I would not think that it proved anything other then that I was in the country he lives in. Sorry, just a little rant about immigration...

Don't you pictures that show date. I believe there are many digital camera that you can set the date and time before taking pictures. You should have the 2 of you together with date printed when you have your pictures developed. That would show the USCIS that you 2 have met in person along with your passport exit/entry stamps and boarding pass...very important.

good luck to you

Bill

[Chuckles 0]

Not that this helps you at all, but I would like to ask if this makes sense to anybody else.

I get that pictures are apparently not good enough for immigration, yea, sure we could all be photoshoping it up... BUT why then are airline ticket stubs and other pieces of paper worth anything?? I sent in pictures and airline tickets, and some other receipts of things from visits, but doesn't all that paper stuff just prove I visited Ireland? In my case, most of the receipts weren't even from the county that James's address has always been as most of my visiting was done while he was at college and a secondary address. If you were to take the pictures out of my pile of evidence, I would not think that it proved anything other then that I was in the country he lives in. Sorry, just a little rant about immigration...

Don't you pictures that show date. I believe there are many digital camera that you can set the date and time before taking pictures. You should have the 2 of you together with date printed when you have your pictures developed. That would show the USCIS that you 2 have met in person along with your passport exit/entry stamps and boarding pass...very important.

good luck to you

Bill

If you live 2 hours away I don't see a problem... Go see him and stay in a hotel.

[susaenneli 0]

Maybe you have a credit card statment that you have used youre credit card while visiting him or for tickets.

If you paied everything cash the only way I see is to have afidavit from other people proving they saw you together maybe there are familie christmas pics or videos??

[aussiewench 9]

Not that this helps you at all, but I would like to ask if this makes sense to anybody else.

I get that pictures are apparently not good enough for immigration, yea, sure we could all be photoshoping it up... BUT why then are airline ticket stubs and other pieces of paper worth anything?? I sent in pictures and airline tickets, and some other receipts of things from visits, but doesn't all that paper stuff just prove I visited Ireland? In my case, most of the receipts weren't even from the county that James's address has always been as most of my visiting was done while he was at college and a secondary address. If you were to take the pictures out of my pile of evidence, I would not think that it proved anything other then that I was in the country he lives in. Sorry, just a little rant about immigration...

Don't you pictures that show date. I believe there are many digital camera that you can set the date and time before taking pictures. You should have the 2 of you together with date printed when you have your pictures developed. That would show the USCIS that you 2 have met in person along with your passport exit/entry stamps and boarding pass...very important.

good luck to you

Bill

If you live 2 hours away I don't see a problem... Go see him and stay in a hotel.

Unfortunately that will not work. The evidence submitted MUST be in the 2 years immediately preceding the filing of the petition.

Not that this helps you at all, but I would like to ask if this makes sense to anybody else.

I get that pictures are apparently not good enough for immigration, yea, sure we could all be photoshoping it up... BUT why then are airline ticket stubs and other pieces of paper worth anything?? I sent in pictures and airline tickets, and some other receipts of things from visits, but doesn't all that paper stuff just prove I visited Ireland? In my case, most of the receipts weren't even from the county that James's address has always been as most of my visiting was done while he was at college and a secondary address. If you were to take the pictures out of my pile of evidence, I would not think that it proved anything other then that I was in the country he lives in. Sorry, just a little rant about immigration...

Its the overall evidence. Plane tickets, boarding passes, credit cards etc have an outside source and are looked on as primary evidence. Things such as photographs are something you do directly yourself (no outside source) and amongst other things are looked on as secondary evidence to support the primary.

[aussiewench 9]

"Please respond to the items below:

CIRCUMSTANCE OF MEETING: Submit further info regarding the circumstances under which the petitioner and beneficiary met to establish the relationship.

This backs up exactly my post in another thread only an hour or so ago re answering Q.18 in more detail. http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4666

submit original statements from you and or your fiance to establish mutual intent to marry within 90 days of their admision.

A requirement on submitting the petition. Easily remedied by submitting now.

MEETING IN PERSON: Though you have submitted photos, they alone do not establish that you have met your fiance in person within the two-year period. therefore, submit evidence of meeting between you and the beneficiary in person. the primary evidence may include copies of passport pages that show the identification page and admission stamps military orders letter from Commanding Officer, or any evidence that will help the Service to determine that the petitioner has met the beneficiary within the 2 yrs. "

If you dont have any passport stamps etc because of the close proximity to each other, the only thing I can come up with too is notorized affidavits attesting to you having met each other by family and friends. Use the statement regarding the circumstances that you met, that they are also requesting, to detail that you do only live 2 hours from each other.....list all the dates, things you did etc.

I wish you all the best

Lorelle

Edited March 28, 2006 by aussiewench

[MrsDarby 0]

First you should write a letter (your fiance too) describing your relationship, how you met, explain the times you've seen each other, and include that you only live 2 hours apart. You need to get the letters notarized. Other people should write a letter on your behalf (about 3 people). Make sure they are people who've seen you two together and can attest to the authenticity of your relationship.

As far as evidence that you've seen eachother...include this in your letter, photocopy every page of your passport (even blank pages), any credit card statements that prove you were in his area (buying things). They look at all the evidence you submit, not just one or two pieces.

Make sure you and the others who write affidavits explain that you only live 2 hours from each other. That should be sufficient enough. If you continue to have problems with it, I'd advise you to contact an immigration lawyer.

[MrMrsKnight 0]

Not that this helps you at all, but I would like to ask if this makes sense to anybody else.

I get that pictures are apparently not good enough for immigration, yea, sure we could all be photoshoping it up... BUT why then are airline ticket stubs and other pieces of paper worth anything?? I sent in pictures and airline tickets, and some other receipts of things from visits, but doesn't all that paper stuff just prove I visited Ireland? In my case, most of the receipts weren't even from the county that James's address has always been as most of my visiting was done while he was at college and a secondary address. If you were to take the pictures out of my pile of evidence, I would not think that it proved anything other then that I was in the country he lives in. Sorry, just a little rant about immigration...

That's why combining both is the "ideal".

Picture (shows you were together) + Boarding pass, plane ticket (shows when you were in the country) = a solid proof you were together on a certain period.

[Karol139 0]

thank you guys for your advice...

I have my car permit to go into Mexico, as far as purchases made over there, i've never used my credit card. i always take cash, i dont need a big amount of money to go to Monterrey, only $100-200 usd, so there's no way to proof that. He just opened an account over there and put me as his beneficiary, but that was done this month. would that work?

Can a Pastor write an Affidavit?

[aussiewench 9]

thank you guys for your advice...

I have my car permit to go into Mexico, as far as purchases made over there, i've never used my credit card. i always take cash, i dont need a big amount of money to go to Monterrey, only $100-200 usd, so there's no way to proof that. He just opened an account over there and put me as his beneficiary, but that was done this month. would that work?

Can a Pastor write an Affidavit?

Your being a beneficiary could be done without you being present so doesn't prove meeting. Even if it could, if it was done after the date on the petition it wouldnt count as was outside the required 2 years immediately preceding the submission.

Did you both meet with the Pastor at the same time?

[kaydee457 13]

Not that this helps you at all, but I would like to ask if this makes sense to anybody else.

I get that pictures are apparently not good enough for immigration, yea, sure we could all be photoshoping it up... BUT why then are airline ticket stubs and other pieces of paper worth anything?? I sent in pictures and airline tickets, and some other receipts of things from visits, but doesn't all that paper stuff just prove I visited Ireland?

Airline stubs and passport entry/exit stamps are not easily forged, at least in the practical scheme of things. The stubs prove that you, and only you have travelled using that ticket because these days your identification is checked, and double checked before you're allowed onto an airplane.

Passport entry/exit stamps obviously aren't easily faked either. Frankly, these items can be faked but the cost and risk makes it not worth the bother and renders these options impractical.

If you're going to go to this extreme it would be cheaper and easier to just simply take the trip and meet.....

Not that this helps you at all, but I would like to ask if this makes sense to anybody else.

I get that pictures are apparently not good enough for immigration, yea, sure we could all be photoshoping it up... BUT why then are airline ticket stubs and other pieces of paper worth anything?? I sent in pictures and airline tickets, and some other receipts of things from visits, but doesn't all that paper stuff just prove I visited Ireland? In my case, most of the receipts weren't even from the county that James's address has always been as most of my visiting was done while he was at college and a secondary address. If you were to take the pictures out of my pile of evidence, I would not think that it proved anything other then that I was in the country he lives in. Sorry, just a little rant about immigration...

Don't you pictures that show date. I believe there are many digital camera that you can set the date and time before taking pictures. You should have the 2 of you together with date printed when you have your pictures developed. That would show the USCIS that you 2 have met in person along with your passport exit/entry stamps and boarding pass...very important.

good luck to you

Bill

Bill.

Photos can be easily faked with false dates superimposed. The USCIS understands this.

Edited March 28, 2006 by kaydee457