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[Voice of Reason 10,298]

9 hours ago, OriZ said:

I assume you're trying to make a distinction between "citizens" and "criminals", a distinction I refuse to make, especially considering 1. the state(any state, any governmental body) has no moral right to make that decision 2. There are many wrongful convictions(god bless the innocence project) and Texas is especially notorious for it, literally it's enough to have eyewitnesses to put you to death which would be totally laughable if it wasn't so horrid. So, yeah, all things considered, and in light of many executions that should have never occurred, I definitely don't see any difference between that and this particular facade. 

Yes, innocents have been put to death, and that is a tragedy.   So what would you propose as an alternative to the current methods of punishment for criminals?

 

Also, the distinction between a citizen and a criminal... if not the state's,  then whose job is it to decide?

[OriZ 3,157]

9 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

Yes, innocents have been put to death, and that is a tragedy.   So what would you propose as an alternative to the current methods of punishment for criminals?

 

Also, the distinction between a citizen and a criminal... if not the state's,  then whose job is it to decide?

I am saying it is not the state's job to decide someone deserves to be put to death. If you disagree with that, then I'm even more sure you're not a libertarian as no libertarian believes government should have that much power that capital punishment should even exist.

 

I don't support any form of capital punishment and never have. Criminals should be kept locked up and convictions should be based on a whole lot more than eyewitness accounts. I would rather see 100 guilty people walk than one innocent person lose their freedom.

[TBoneTX 45,293]

7 minutes ago, OriZ said:

convictions should be based on a whole lot more than eyewitness accounts

And on a whole lot more than on confessions, which are often coerced or engineered.  Large body of literature* about the horrible inadequacies of the Reid Interrogation Method, which sadly has been a staple of criminal investigation for decades.

 

*fascinating, too

[OriZ 3,157]

5 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

And on a whole lot more than on confessions, which are often coerced or engineered.  Large body of literature* about the horrible inadequacies of the Reid Interrogation Method, which sadly has been a staple of criminal investigation for decades.

 

*fascinating, too

Definitely. Brendan Dassey is a good example.

[TBoneTX 45,293]

An oft-cited classic example!

[OriZ 3,157]

3 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

An oft-cited classic example!

in the spirit of "current events" 😉

 

Sucks that he was denied clemency.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

28 minutes ago, OriZ said:

I am saying it is not the state's job to decide someone deserves to be put to death. If you disagree with that, then I'm even more sure you're not a libertarian as no libertarian believes government should have that much power that capital punishment should even exist.

 

I don't support any form of capital punishment and never have. Criminals should be kept locked up and convictions should be based on a whole lot more than eyewitness accounts. I would rather see 100 guilty people walk than one innocent person lose their freedom.

As House said many times, people lie.  I'd rather all innocents go free, and those that deserve punishment get punished.  Even if said punishment is the death penalty.  There are just some crimes that deserve such, like rape and murder.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

This is the last person executed in Texas. He cut the throat of a prison employee, who died. I have no problem with him being put to death.

 

 

https://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/runnels-travis-trevino.htm

 

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Seems like a real nice fellow.