House Passes 'Historic' Bill to Restore and Expand Voting Rights "Brings us one step closer to restoring the Voting Rights Act."

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1 hour ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Let's use your example of the patients records and the birth certificate. Your mandate is to protect the child which is important.

 

1. If the situation was emergent, like to provide first aid , would the Dr not provide assistance and then sort out the paperwork later? This is analogous to a problem with the voters records and some states not allowing for a provisional ballot and just sending the voter away.

This situation, in my opinion is totally different than voting. I agree that Doctor will often sort out the paperwork later concerning insurance, etc, but in the end they get paid whether it's by insurance or by the patient. 

 

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2. If the birth certificate shows the name of the mother as Mary Kathy-Anne  Smith but the mothers drivers license shows Mary Kathy Anne or Mary Kathy-Ann Smith would you send them away? No. This was the level of scrutiny in the Texas law that was struck down by the court.

No, we would not, but again, I work in a program that is the next step before residential. I guarantee you that if we sent a state residential application and did not go through the proper process, that patient would be turned away and treatment put off until all documents were gathered. Now if they did not have the birth certificate then we start services and ask the parent to provide it at a later date.

 

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3. Would you arbitrarily purge your patient records based on certain parts of town that had less desirable patients  and then force those parents to re-register and deny them service because they did not respond to your letter sent to an old address. No. This is occurring even today.

My agency would not do this, we actually have a training that we have to do called Cultural Competency where we learn to be diverse with our treatment and meet our patient's where they are at and be creative. 

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Would you tolerate someone sending your patients a letter saying that their appointment was on Thursday when it was in fact on Wednesday?

Definitely not.

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In all of these cases you would work for the interest of the patient and child to resolve these and other barriers to providing care. You would protect the child despite the letter if the law.

Yes.

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The lawsuits to protect the voters right have shown that there was intent in depressing the vote in many of the examples that I provided earlier.

Elections are held every 4 years (Presidential), 6 years (Senate, every 2 years 1/3 of the senate is up for election), and 2 years (House of Representatives). Some sort of identification is needed to show that you can vote. An authentic voter registration card or what I mentioned earlier, passport, passport card, or birth certificate. If you cannot get one of these by the time an election has happened then you should fill out a provisional ballot and if you provide proof by the time votes are counted then great, but if not, your vote should be null and void. 

 

Here is my solution: Passport, passport card, birth certificate or issue a free voter's ID that has a photo on it. For the voter ID you would have to prove that you can vote by submitting an authentic document listed in my previous sentence. This would eradicate the fact that you are not on the list due to moving and would even eliminate provisional ballots because if you applied then you should get by the time the next election rolls around. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, ohcoffeeeyes said:

 

Oh you know... ex-cons... like people who get caught with 1g's of weed in their car, serve 60 days in county jail and now they can't vote ever again. Or people who pee 3 times in public and get given a felony like in California. Yeah, they don't get their voting rights revoked or suppressed at all despite living their entire life in the US. Sorry to create a strawman but imagine if you had left prison 10+ years ago, had a steady job, a family, and you can't decide what goes on in your community cause you punched someone once or had marijuana residue in your car that you forgot was there.

Here in NC you can not vote if you were convicted of a Felony offense and are still on probation/parole. Once you get off of that then you can vote. 

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21 minutes ago, CDN(ON)-USA(VT) said:

This situation, in my opinion is totally different than voting. I agree that Doctor will often sort out the paperwork later concerning insurance, etc, but in the end they get paid whether it's by insurance or by the patient. 

 

No, we would not, but again, I work in a program that is the next step before residential. I guarantee you that if we sent a state residential application and did not go through the proper process, that patient would be turned away and treatment put off until all documents were gathered. Now if they did not have the birth certificate then we start services and ask the parent to provide it at a later date.

 

My agency would not do this, we actually have a training that we have to do called Cultural Competency where we learn to be diverse with our treatment and meet our patient's where they are at and be creative. 

Definitely not.

Yes.

Elections are held every 4 years (Presidential), 6 years (Senate, every 2 years 1/3 of the senate is up for election), and 2 years (House of Representatives). Some sort of identification is needed to show that you can vote. An authentic voter registration card or what I mentioned earlier, passport, passport card, or birth certificate. If you cannot get one of these by the time an election has happened then you should fill out a provisional ballot and if you provide proof by the time votes are counted then great, but if not, your vote should be null and void. 

 

Here is my solution: Passport, passport card, birth certificate or issue a free voter's ID that has a photo on it. For the voter ID you would have to prove that you can vote by submitting an authentic document listed in my previous sentence. This would eradicate the fact that you are not on the list due to moving and would even eliminate provisional ballots because if you applied then you should get by the time the next election rolls around. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are two parts to the voting I'd problem. 

 

Part is easy, who are you?  Every state has an ID drivers license system to do this and there are several means.

Part two is tricky, especially if the laws and regs are complicated. Are you eligible to vote here, for this precinct, today?  A college student may have an address on campus but cannot vote because they are not "full time" residents and they cannot vote at "home" because they don't live there.  A woman gets married and her last name no longer matches the voter role, now she has s new burden to make her vote count because she took her husband's  name.  You moved across town and you address on your DL and on the registration don't match. You have the same first and last name as your parent at the same address and your registration gets purged. You didn't vote in the last election and your name was purged.

 

Some of the regs are difficult to navigate precisely because it does not happen every day and you may not know the status of your record.

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

 

 

There are two parts to the voting I'd problem. 

 

Part is easy, who are you?  Every state has an ID drivers license system to do this and there are several means.

Part two is tricky, especially if the laws and regs are complicated. Are you eligible to vote here, for this precinct, today?  A college student may have an address on campus but cannot vote because they are not "full time" residents and they cannot vote at "home" because they don't live there.  A woman gets married and her last name no longer matches the voter role, now she has s new burden to make her vote count because she took her husband's  name.  You moved across town and you address on your DL and on the registration don't match. You have the same first and last name as your parent at the same address and your registration gets purged. You didn't vote in the last election and your name was purged.

 

Some of the regs are difficult to navigate precisely because it does not happen every day and you may not know the status of your record.

 

 

 

 

That is why I mentioned a photo voter ID card. No address on it, it's just a card to state that you can vote in the United States and if you try to vote twice it should be able to detect that in whatever system is used. 

Edited December 9, 2019 by CDN(ON)-USA(VT)

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35 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Here in NC you can not vote if you were convicted of a Felony offense and are still on probation/parole. Once you get off of that then you can vote. 

I heard a radio program about the Florida system. You needed to apply to a board and prove that you were in " good standing" it was unnecessarily bureaucratic and embarrassing.  I think they changed the law in the last election.

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1 minute ago, CDN(ON)-USA(VT) said:

That is why I mentioned a photo voter ID card.

Yes but my original post was about restricting the right to vote, which usually comes down to a reductionist argument about " we need to stamp out rampant voter fraud" which gets further reduced to photo id.

 

Voter fraud is not a large issue, voter suppression is seriously affecting this country.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

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Sorry I didn't catch this edit. 

 

5 minutes ago, CDN(ON)-USA(VT) said:

That is why I mentioned a photo voter ID card. No address on it, it's just a card to state that you can vote in the United States and if you try to vote twice it should be able to detect that in whatever system is used. 

Sounds interesting, you are going to need to convince all of the states to buy into it. 

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Number of House Republicans who voted in favor of: H.R. 6400, the 1965 Voting Rights Act: 112

H.R. 9, the 2006 bill to reauthorize it: 192

H.R. 4, yesterday’s bill to restore it: 1

 

Why? The GOP’s hopes depend on fewer people voting.

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27 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Number of House Republicans who voted in favor of: H.R. 6400, the 1965 Voting Rights Act: 112

H.R. 9, the 2006 bill to reauthorize it: 192

H.R. 4, yesterday’s bill to restore it: 1

 

Why? The GOP’s hopes depend on fewer people voting.

Ohai Adam.

 

Party contrived politi-speech is obvious from a mile away.. next time, just cut/paste link to the tweet rather than cut/paste plagiarize the contents and pretend like its your original thoughts. 😂

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Ohai Adam.

 

Party contrived politi-speech is obvious from a mile away.. next time, just cut/paste link to the tweet rather than cut/paste plagiarize the contents and pretend like its your original thoughts. 😂

 

 

 

I know how the name Schiff triggers some.

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1 hour ago, 90DayFinancier said:

I know how the name Schiff triggers some.

Well duh.... He just likes to release people's personal information and phone records to the public like he some kind of untouchable 

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And ASSUMES people in high places are going to do something.   Maybe. Presumably.  If not, he will find and get someone to SAY it for him.

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On 12/6/2019 at 11:37 PM, laylalex said:

Wow, that's kind of a personal attack. I don't report people but you should know that personal attacks are against the TOS. I wasn't mean to you, I asked a question. I can ask and respond to questions nicely. 

I apologize if I offended you in any way. 

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On 12/9/2019 at 8:31 AM, 90DayFinancier said:

I heard a radio program about the Florida system. You needed to apply to a board and prove that you were in " good standing" it was unnecessarily bureaucratic and embarrassing.  I think they changed the law in the last election.

Oh good lord! Florida is my home state and I vote by fax from Peru...so let's get over this "it's so difficult to vote" issue.

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20 minutes ago, MjC772 said:

Oh good lord! Florida is my home state and I vote by fax from Peru...so let's get over this "it's so difficult to vote" issue.

No kidding.  My truck is registered in one state, I live in another state, my driver's license is from a third state but has an address in a 4th state.  And yet I have never had a problem voting in my home state.  In which I do not reside.

Edited December 11, 2019 by ALFKAD