House Passes 'Historic' Bill to Restore and Expand Voting Rights "Brings us one step closer to restoring the Voting Rights Act."

[Canerican 242]

Here's my honest opinion. Require people to show a US Passport, Passport Card, or US birth certificate to be able to vote. When I was an LPR I had a drivers license so I do not think showing just any ID would suffice as anyone can get a Driver's License or State ID. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

52 minutes ago, CDN(ON)-USA(VT) said:

Here's my honest opinion. Require people to show a US Passport, Passport Card, or US birth certificate to be able to vote. When I was an LPR I had a drivers license so I do not think showing just any ID would suffice as anyone can get a Driver's License or State ID. 

That's racist because it marginalizes people of color, not to mention lower income people. At least that's what I have been told many many times

[Canerican 242]

1 hour ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

That's racist because it marginalizes people of color, not to mention lower income people. At least that's what I have been told many many times

I'm not attacking but sharing my opinion. I believe that this statement is quite ridiculous because everyone who is born in the USA needs a birth certificate. It is needed for a variety of things such as passport, receiving medical services, etc so parents should be paying for a birth certificate. Now for those who naturalize we need a passport as we have no other proof except for maybe a military ID if you are in the military. 

 

I liken voter rights to the immigration process. There is a process to be able to immigrate to the United States: petition, approval, consulate interview, entry, AOS, ROC, N-400. These are all processes that are required excluding N-400 as becoming an American citizen is a choice. When I came her I had to apply for my AOS and ROC or else I would get deported. In my process K-1 -> Citizenship I had to have 4 FBI background checks, fingerprints taken 5 times, and provide proof of my marriage, etc. In the same way, voter rights have a process and if you are not a citizen then you are not to vote. There should be a process to determine if someone is a US Citizen or not or else elections will be skewed. Not to mention the fact that if you vote and are not a citizen this can hurt when you apply for citizenship. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

44 minutes ago, CDN(ON)-USA(VT) said:

I'm not attacking but sharing my opinion. I believe that this statement is quite ridiculous because everyone who is born in the USA needs a birth certificate. It is needed for a variety of things such as passport, receiving medical services, etc so parents should be paying for a birth certificate. Now for those who naturalize we need a passport as we have no other proof except for maybe a military ID if you are in the military. 

 

I liken voter rights to the immigration process. There is a process to be able to immigrate to the United States: petition, approval, consulate interview, entry, AOS, ROC, N-400. These are all processes that are required excluding N-400 as becoming an American citizen is a choice. When I came her I had to apply for my AOS and ROC or else I would get deported. In my process K-1 -> Citizenship I had to have 4 FBI background checks, fingerprints taken 5 times, and provide proof of my marriage, etc. In the same way, voter rights have a process and if you are not a citizen then you are not to vote. There should be a process to determine if someone is a US Citizen or not or else elections will be skewed. Not to mention the fact that if you vote and are not a citizen this can hurt when you apply for citizenship. 

I wasn't attacking you at all fyi. I am just sharing an opinion that I don't agree with but is constantly being told to me as to why we can't have voter id.

 

I am in firm agreement with both your statements

Edited December 8, 2019 by Cyberfx1024

[Canerican 242]

2 hours ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

I wasn't attacking you at all fyi. I am just sharing an opinion that I don't agree with but is constantly being told to me as to why we can't have voter id.

 

I am in firm agreement with both your statements

I know, I was making a blanket statement that I was sharing my opinion about the matter and not attacking anyone who disagrees. 

[Dashinka 24,492]

5 hours ago, CDN(ON)-USA(VT) said:

Here's my honest opinion. Require people to show a US Passport, Passport Card, or US birth certificate to be able to vote. When I was an LPR I had a drivers license so I do not think showing just any ID would suffice as anyone can get a Driver's License or State ID. 

Back when my wife was an LPR, she accompanied me to vote in 2016.  The poll workers were ready to give her a provisional ballot based on her DL.  Of course we told them she was not eligible to vote, not being a USC, and we did not want to jeopardize naturalization in the future.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

15 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Back when my wife was an LPR, she accompanied me to vote in 2016.  The poll workers were ready to give her a provisional ballot based on her DL.  Of course we told them she was not eligible to vote, not being a USC, and we did not want to jeopardize naturalization in the future.

It's quite amazing how people can be so flimsy with election integrity, especially given all the comedy we've been hearing since 2016 about the subject. Yet, when the opportunity for preventing ineligible people from voting arises, there's always some excuse not to do it. It's easy to tell when election integrity actually means something to people, or is just a gimmick to weaponize, and they don't actually care about it. 

Edited December 8, 2019 by Burnt Reynolds

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

A friend said to me just today: Let them get rid of voter ID requirements.  Then drive around from one polling station to another, and vote multiple times.  It will be our right!

[90DayFinancier 910]

6 hours ago, CDN(ON)-USA(VT) said:

I'm not attacking but sharing my opinion. I believe that this statement is quite ridiculous because everyone who is born in the USA needs a birth certificate. It is needed for a variety of things such as passport, receiving medical services, etc so parents should be paying for a birth certificate. Now for those who naturalize we need a passport as we have no other proof except for maybe a military ID if you are in the military. 

 

I liken voter rights to the immigration process. There is a process to be able to immigrate to the United States: petition, approval, consulate interview, entry, AOS, ROC, N-400. These are all processes that are required excluding N-400 as becoming an American citizen is a choice. When I came her I had to apply for my AOS and ROC or else I would get deported. In my process K-1 -> Citizenship I had to have 4 FBI background checks, fingerprints taken 5 times, and provide proof of my marriage, etc. In the same way, voter rights have a process and if you are not a citizen then you are not to vote. There should be a process to determine if someone is a US Citizen or not or else elections will be skewed. Not to mention the fact that if you vote and are not a citizen this can hurt when you apply for citizenship. 

Thanks for your reply. Do you agree that the immigration process is (necessarily) lengthy , involved and costly? If you do agree would you say that there was  zero immigration fraud? 

Edited December 8, 2019 by 90DayFinancier

[90DayFinancier 910]

The conservative heritage foundation has accumulated data on voter fraud since 2000 (19 years)

In that time they documented

1,241

Proven instances of voter fraud

1,071
Criminal convictions

 

 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

10 hours ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

That's racist because it marginalizes people of color, not to mention lower income people. At least that's what I have been told many many times

 

  The legal challenges have generally not been due to the concept of requiring ID, it has been due to the difficulties imposed by requiring an ID when you have never had an ID. If you ever try need to get something like a drivers license and you don't have any other photo ID, it's not a simple process. While it may not seem intuitive to those of use that have gone through life needing ID for everything, this was once the norm. My grandfather never had a photo ID in his life. All he had was his birth certificate (and IIRC, it was filled in with pencil). Nobody cared back then, but it still affects people now. Well get to the point where this probably won't be an issue, but it is still a problem for some people today.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

9 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  The legal challenges have generally not been due to the concept of requiring ID, it has been due to the difficulties imposed by requiring an ID when you have never had an ID. If you ever try need to get something like a drivers license and you don't have any other photo ID, it's not a simple process. While it may not seem intuitive to those of use that have gone through life needing ID for everything, this was once the norm. My grandfather never had a photo ID in his life. All he had was his birth certificate (and IIRC, it was filled in with pencil). Nobody cared back then, but it still affects people now. Well get to the point where this probably won't be an issue, but it is still a problem for some people today.

While this certainly had merit, I doubt those 53 folks across the country care much about voting anymore. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

6 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  The legal challenges have generally not been due to the concept of requiring ID, it has been due to the difficulties imposed by requiring an ID when you have never had an ID. If you ever try need to get something like a drivers license and you don't have any other photo ID, it's not a simple process. While it may not seem intuitive to those of use that have gone through life needing ID for everything, this was once the norm. My grandfather never had a photo ID in his life. All he had was his birth certificate (and IIRC, it was filled in with pencil). Nobody cared back then, but it still affects people now. Well get to the point where this probably won't be an issue, but it is still a problem for some people today.

I totally agree with you on this. That was the merits of the lawsuits that were brought against the Voter ID law amendment that passed here in NC. But the majority of people that are against this law didn't actually read it because it entails that people who are lower income and senior citizens are actually able to get a voter id in free of charge so that they can vote. This was because this is always a sticking point from the Left saying that "low income people can't spend $10 to get a ID card here in NC".

[Steeleballz 7,550]

12 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

I totally agree with you on this. That was the merits of the lawsuits that were brought against the Voter ID law amendment that passed here in NC. But the majority of people that are against this law didn't actually read it because it entails that people who are lower income and senior citizens are actually able to get a voter id in free of charge so that they can vote. This was because this is always a sticking point from the Left saying that "low income people can't spend $10 to get a ID card here in NC".

 

  As long as they have a process in place so it's not unduly difficult for people that don't have ID, I'm OK with it. 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

Lets keep perpetrating the self fulfilling prophecy of the hobbled black in America.  Lets call it what it is. We are not talking about minorities in general,  we are talking about black people specifically. 

 

As a Black man in America, I am insulted that liberals in America think somehow I once again need  some kind of special treatment in regards to voting and obtaining an ID