Questions regarding ROC Application

[JasonGG 280]

I am going through end-of-year paperwork and I am preparing files to accompany applications to remove conditions in 2020..  How many pages of evidence are people sending with their ROC applications?  I have read some VJ posts and legal websites containing lists of evidence that could amount to hundreds and hundreds of pages.  Based on VJ's advice, we heavily front-loaded our I-129F,  but the AOS applications were pretty light.  I am beginning to realize that 2 years' worth of bank statements, utility bills, beneficiary forms, insurance records, legal documents, photos, etc., could easily amount to a VERY thick envelope!  Do I choose a small sample each bill/statement and save the rest for the interview like we did when adjusting status?  Or does USCIS expect a thick file with months of evidence that includes every monthly utility bill and bank statement beginning from marriage to the month of application?

 

I saw a few posts that included ROC evidence like texts, emails, phone logs, and social media posts.  We sent samples of that with our 129F and brought files to the interview.  We didn't include any of that evidence with the AOS applications or bring it to the interview.  Can I safely skip this for the ROC application?

 

My wife and her daughter came to the U.S. 6 months ahead of her son's arrival.  They adjusted status separately, so my wife and her daughter are eligible to begin the removal of conditions process in July 2020.  Her son received his green card 9 months later.  Is it correct that he will continue his "immigration journey" separately from his mother, and will need to wait to remove conditions in April 2021?  If his mother successfully removes conditions, would the process for her son simply be a formality? 

 

On the I-751 for my wife and stepdaughter, part 5 asks me to list my children.  When I include my stepson's information, do I say "No" to "Is this child applying with you"  or "Yes" because he will be applying with me in the future?  Similarly, when I complete my stepson's I-751 9 months after his mother and sister's, do I say "yes" or "no" to this question in regards to my stepdaughter?

 

What evidence do I send with my stepchildren's applications?  Do I send the same evidence I include with their mother's application.  I have photos and some health insurance documents specific to my step-children, but none of the financial and beneficiary documents linking me and my wife.

 

Finally, my wife can  apply for U.S. citizenship the same month her son's 2-year green card expires.  If her citizenship application is approved, do we need to wait for her son's 10-year green card before he receives citizenship through his mother?  Meaning, could my wife and stepdaughter become citizens while her son waits for his 10 year green card and then citizenship paperwork to catch up.

 

Thank you! - Jason

 

 

 

[Sukie 1,460]

Jason, I can only address the first half of your letter...Your ROC submission should stress QUALITY not QUANTITY.  When you print out every page of every bank statement, it is going to be a lot of pages.  If you have a lot of co-mingling financial data, you might just send one statement per quarter (which is what we did).  You list a lot of great evidence in your first paragraphs.

 

You do not need phone logs, text messages, chats this time around.  Those things can be important for ROC if, for some (good) reason, you have lived apart during the two years - but that does not seem to be the case in your life. 

 

Your documents should easily tell your story of living together, paying bills from the same accounts (if this is the way you handle your finances), and of thinking about the future together (such as being each other's beneficiary).  Submit documents that paint this type of picture, and you will be fine.

 

I will have to let someone else talk about dependents, as we did not have any during our process.

 

Good luck!

 

Sukie in NY

[arken 4,197]

 

5 hours ago, JasonGG said:

I am going through end-of-year paperwork and I am preparing files to accompany applications to remove conditions in 2020..  How many pages of evidence are people sending with their ROC applications?  I have read some VJ posts and legal websites containing lists of evidence that could amount to hundreds and hundreds of pages.  Based on VJ's advice, we heavily front-loaded our I-129F,  but the AOS applications were pretty light.  I am beginning to realize that 2 years' worth of bank statements, utility bills, beneficiary forms, insurance records, legal documents, photos, etc., could easily amount to a VERY thick envelope!  Do I choose a small sample each bill/statement and save the rest for the interview like we did when adjusting status?  Or does USCIS expect a thick file with months of evidence that includes every monthly utility bill and bank statement beginning from marriage to the month of application?

As said, it’s the quality not the quantity that matters, i’d include statements from every few other months only.

 

 

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I saw a few posts that included ROC evidence like texts, emails, phone logs, and social media posts.  We sent samples of that with our 129F and brought files to the interview.  We didn't include any of that evidence with the AOS applications or bring it to the interview.  Can I safely skip this for the ROC application?

Not required.

 

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My wife and her daughter came to the U.S. 6 months ahead of her son's arrival.  They adjusted status separately, so my wife and her daughter are eligible to begin the removal of conditions process in July 2020.  Her son received his green card 9 months later.  Is it correct that he will continue his "immigration journey" separately from his mother, and will need to wait to remove conditions in April 2021?  If his mother successfully removes conditions, would the process for her son simply be a formality? 

Yes your son will file i751 separately and is a formality as it’s based on her parent’s marriage with you.

 

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On the I-751 for my wife and stepdaughter, part 5 asks me to list my children.  When I include my stepson's information, do I say "No" to "Is this child applying with you"  or "Yes" because he will be applying with me in the future? 

Just for clarification, Part 5 is asking for the children of your wife which may include your children too as stepchildren if you have any. All of her children shall be listed while selecting “Yes” to the only kids applying with her thru the same form.

 

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Similarly, when I complete my stepson's I-751 9 months after his mother and sister's, do I say "yes" or "no" to this question in regards to my stepdaughter?

Again, that is asking for children of your stepson not yours which i believe will be None at the time of filing.
 

 

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What evidence do I send with my stepchildren's applications?  Do I send the same evidence I include with their mother's application.  I have photos and some health insurance documents specific to my step-children, but none of the financial and beneficiary documents linking me and my wife.

 

I’d think its the same evidence as it’s based on the bonafide marital relationship of the parents. Some others my chime in.

 

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Finally, my wife can  apply for U.S. citizenship the same month her son's 2-year green card expires.  If her citizenship application is approved, do we need to wait for her son's 10-year green card before he receives citizenship through his mother?  Meaning, could my wife and stepdaughter become citizens while her son waits for his 10 year green card and then citizenship paperwork to catch up.

 

Thank you! - Jason

 

 

 

The son will gain citizenship through his mother only when he becomes the LPR which is when his ROC is approved.

 

Note: The petitioner for i751 is NOT you but the one who is filing for ROC, so fill the last few sections accordingly.

Edited December 3, 2019 by arken

[JasonGG 280]

Thank you @Sukie and @arken!  These responses are very helpful. Quite relieved to be able to supply statements representing each quarter.  I wasn't looking forward to organizing that mountain of paper.  Thanks again! - Jason

[Mike & Tuyen 598]

Hi Jason, so glad I saw this before posting myself.  We will be doing the removal of conditions next year as well. Her card expires in June so we want to get everything done by end of March.  Good luck to you!

[USAjune2016 101]

Regarding the evidence I included :

-Statements for each month ( joint bank account, utilities bills, cable...)

-State & Federal Tax transcripts 

-Lease

-Photos with descriptions but printed and not a real photo like the one you get from a photographer . If the photos were from a trip I attached the tickets/boarding. I also sent photos of us from posts on facebook.

-Joint health insurance 

- joint ownership of a car ( Title ).  

There are also more things you can include....

My file was ridiculously thick and heavy  but very organized and really easy to navigate through because I had a cover letter with Exhibits style.  If you're organized and willing to do a lot of research and read a lot of reviews here you'll have no problems... Good Luck!

Edited December 7, 2019 by USAjune2016

[JasonGG 280]

6 hours ago, Mike & Tuyen said:

Hi Jason, so glad I saw this before posting myself.  We will be doing the removal of conditions next year as well. Her card expires in June so we want to get everything done by end of March.  Good luck to you!

Good luck to you, too!